Smoot's Status with the Redskins

Drift Reality · 12-31-2004, 05:04 PM

I was a bit shocked when I read today's Post article on Smoot.

"That could have been my last game as a Redskin," seems like a far cry from the things he has been saying throughout the season.

Later, he is quoted as saying: "Like I was talking to Champ two or three weeks ago, and that's what he was saying. It ain't never really the player. . . . It's all about the front office and who they want to be here."

Two observations:

1. Invoking the spectre of Champ Bailey seems to be an interesting thing to do considering the negative manner in which he left the organization.

2. Saying "It's all about the front office and who they want to be here" is a ridiculously stupid thing to say. THE NFL IS A BUSINESS AND THE REDSKINS ARE A FRANCHISE!!! OF COURSE IT'S ALL ABOUT THE FRONT OFFICE AND WHO THEY WANT TO BE HERE!!!!!

Sorry, it just blows my mind that players, who continually want to be "shown the money" (with a few exceptions like Tom Brady), criticize the front office for doing what is best for the franchise.

Anyway, my point in bringing all this up is because I sincerely believe that Smoot's 180 with his messaging is obviously due to his agent.

I personally think its lame and I thought Smoot (after firing the Postons) was better than that.

His agent has developed this strategy - using the Post to begin positioning his client in preparation for negotiations - and has the full support of Fred Smoot.

What do other people think?

jdlea · 12-31-2004, 05:18 PM

I think if I were Fred Smoot I would go where the money is and leave the Washington Redskins if they offer me less. He's not from here and I think he probably feels vulnerable because he saw his best friend leave the Skins last season because they wouldn't pony up the dough. Plenty of teams will have cap room and he could end up on a winning one.

I'm really not worried about the Redskins. They seem to make corners look better than they are. I think they'll be fine without Fred Smoot. How does that saying go? Oh, yeah. We finished in last with him, we can finish in last without him. I would like to see him stay and I wish the front office would keep him, but the Redskins don't make smart decisions. Whatever.

Daseal · 12-31-2004, 05:21 PM

This defensive system we need great CBs. If we lose Smoot that's our #1 pick in the draft. Personally I hate this talk because I love Smoot. I hope they get the deal done.

CRT3 · 12-31-2004, 06:19 PM

Its one thing to trash talk your opponets but your own team. Shut your trap Fred and don't carry out your business in the paper or on TV. Slap the Tag on him and shut him up. I personnaly would like to see him leave and we recieve 2 1st rounders.

cpayne5 · 12-31-2004, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CRT3

Its one thing to trash talk your opponets but your own team. Shut your trap Fred and don't carry out your business in the paper or on TV. Slap the Tag on him and shut him up. I personnaly would like to see him leave and we recieve 2 1st rounders.

Nice fictionalization.

Fred said what he feels is going to take place in the offseason. Far from talking trash.

azskinsfan2 · 01-01-2005, 10:12 AM

I really think they'll try to keep Smoot around. He's exactly the type of player Gibbs says he wants around. He's one of the team leaders and he's played hurt a good part of the last two seasons. I hope we keep him around.

djdunick · 01-01-2005, 01:11 PM

Letting Smoot go would be terrible. You need to keep your draft picks. The ones that work out should be what you build your team around.

I thought it was terrible that we had to let Bailey go as a terriffic corner is much harder to come by then another 1,000 runner out of the Denver system. We paid a ridiculous amount for Portis and while he's had flashes he doesn't have the heart that Gibbs wants in his players. We needed a Jerome Bettis/L Tomlimson type runner, an punch you in the mouth guy on offense which we don't have. I still believe this wasn't really Gibbs doing but dumb and dumber in the front office.

We should keep Smoot and get rid of the salary cap albatross Samuels. Hasn't played like the pro-bowler the last 2 years and is it me or has he committed a lot of false starts?

Defensewins · 01-02-2005, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daseal

This defensive system we need great CBs. If we lose Smoot that's our #1 pick in the draft. ........

You are exactly right, our defense is built around our CB's being able to play one on one with the top WR's in this league.
Champ Bailey was the top DB in his draft.
Smoot was a Jim Thorpe Award finalist (given to the top defensive back in the country) and the top CB in his draft. So is Springs, but he is getting old and injury prone. If Smoot leaves we would be forced to pay big to replace him.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 12-31-2004, 06:17 PM

It would be the biggest waste of a high draft pick since we've got Smoot here. With the number 5 pick, we'd spend more money on an unproven rookie when we have Smoot right here.

As for Smoot's comments, I don't find them inappropriate or dumb. As far as I am concerned, this comes down to whether Gibbs wants Smoot or not.

If we don't re-sign Smoot but draft a CB with our #5 pick, that would tell me this organization is the worst run franchise in football.

wolfeskins · 12-31-2004, 06:34 PM

i havn't read any posts on this sight saying anything about greg williams' feelings towards smoot staying or leaving. everyone is saying "if gibbs wants hims , he's staying, if gibbs doesn't want smoot, then he's leaving" now i know gibbs will have the final say when he gives his list of who he wants to stay and who he wants gone to mr. snyder but believe you me greg williams will have a lot of the decision making concerning the defense. if williams says to gibbs that he doesn't need smoot and on top of that smoot trys to hold out as long as possible for the big money , then gibbs will suggest to dan that smoot be gone. on the other hand if williams says he really needs smoot to stay , then i think gibbs tells dan to do what he can to keep smoot.

jdlea · 12-31-2004, 06:43 PM

I already think it is the worst run in football.

Daseal · 12-31-2004, 07:12 PM

Two first rounders for Fred Smoot? What the hell are you talking about? I seriously doubt we could get one.

We'd spend more on a top 5 pick then top 10 CB money? Doubt it, Ramseyfan!

Daseal · 01-01-2005, 02:18 PM

Why not? Gibbs flawless record when it comes to playing GM? Or maybe the Brunell deal he pushed hard for?

SmootSmack · 01-01-2005, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daseal

Why not? Gibbs flawless record when it comes to playing GM? Or maybe the Brunell deal he pushed hard for?

Daseal, please include the original post that you're responding to. What are you saying "Why not" to?

Redskins_P · 01-01-2005, 04:48 PM

This is from Pastabelly's column on the 24th. I wonder which coach he was talking about?

Although there is at least one coach on the Washington staff who does not want Fred Smoot back in 2005, the Redskins may designate the standout cornerback a franchise player if a contract extension cannot be reached. ...

01-01-2005, 10:12 AM	#6
azskinsfan2 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Tucson, Arizona Age: 68 Posts: 232	I really think they'll try to keep Smoot around. He's exactly the type of player Gibbs says he wants around. He's one of the team leaders and he's played hurt a good part of the last two seasons. I hope we keep him around. __________________ Long live Sonny J!!! Rock on Redskins!!!!!!

12-31-2004, 05:04 PM	#1
Drift Reality Impact Rookie Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 506	Smoot's Status with the Redskins I was a bit shocked when I read today's Post article on Smoot. "That could have been my last game as a Redskin," seems like a far cry from the things he has been saying throughout the season. Later, he is quoted as saying: "Like I was talking to Champ two or three weeks ago, and that's what he was saying. It ain't never really the player. . . . It's all about the front office and who they want to be here." Two observations: 1. Invoking the spectre of Champ Bailey seems to be an interesting thing to do considering the negative manner in which he left the organization. 2. Saying "It's all about the front office and who they want to be here" is a ridiculously stupid thing to say. THE NFL IS A BUSINESS AND THE REDSKINS ARE A FRANCHISE!!! OF COURSE IT'S ALL ABOUT THE FRONT OFFICE AND WHO THEY WANT TO BE HERE!!!!! Sorry, it just blows my mind that players, who continually want to be "shown the money" (with a few exceptions like Tom Brady), criticize the front office for doing what is best for the franchise. Anyway, my point in bringing all this up is because I sincerely believe that Smoot's 180 with his messaging is obviously due to his agent. I personally think its lame and I thought Smoot (after firing the Postons) was better than that. His agent has developed this strategy - using the Post to begin positioning his client in preparation for negotiations - and has the full support of Fred Smoot. What do other people think? __________________ Drift Reality DC City Blog New Influencer

12-31-2004, 05:18 PM	#2
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 41 Posts: 3,109	I think if I were Fred Smoot I would go where the money is and leave the Washington Redskins if they offer me less. He's not from here and I think he probably feels vulnerable because he saw his best friend leave the Skins last season because they wouldn't pony up the dough. Plenty of teams will have cap room and he could end up on a winning one. I'm really not worried about the Redskins. They seem to make corners look better than they are. I think they'll be fine without Fred Smoot. How does that saying go? Oh, yeah. We finished in last with him, we can finish in last without him. I would like to see him stay and I wish the front office would keep him, but the Redskins don't make smart decisions. Whatever.

12-31-2004, 05:21 PM	#3
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	This defensive system we need great CBs. If we lose Smoot that's our #1 pick in the draft. Personally I hate this talk because I love Smoot. I hope they get the deal done.

12-31-2004, 06:19 PM	#4
CRT3 Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Rockville Age: 62 Posts: 795	Its one thing to trash talk your opponets but your own team. Shut your trap Fred and don't carry out your business in the paper or on TV. Slap the Tag on him and shut him up. I personnaly would like to see him leave and we recieve 2 1st rounders.

01-01-2005, 01:11 PM	#7
djdunick Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Reisterstown, MD Age: 63 Posts: 141	Letting Smoot go would be terrible. You need to keep your draft picks. The ones that work out should be what you build your team around. I thought it was terrible that we had to let Bailey go as a terriffic corner is much harder to come by then another 1,000 runner out of the Denver system. We paid a ridiculous amount for Portis and while he's had flashes he doesn't have the heart that Gibbs wants in his players. We needed a Jerome Bettis/L Tomlimson type runner, an punch you in the mouth guy on offense which we don't have. I still believe this wasn't really Gibbs doing but dumb and dumber in the front office. We should keep Smoot and get rid of the salary cap albatross Samuels. Hasn't played like the pro-bowler the last 2 years and is it me or has he committed a lot of false starts?

12-31-2004, 06:17 PM	#9
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 8,317	It would be the biggest waste of a high draft pick since we've got Smoot here. With the number 5 pick, we'd spend more money on an unproven rookie when we have Smoot right here. As for Smoot's comments, I don't find them inappropriate or dumb. As far as I am concerned, this comes down to whether Gibbs wants Smoot or not. If we don't re-sign Smoot but draft a CB with our #5 pick, that would tell me this organization is the worst run franchise in football.

12-31-2004, 06:34 PM	#10
wolfeskins The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: chesapeake,va. Posts: 2,160	i havn't read any posts on this sight saying anything about greg williams' feelings towards smoot staying or leaving. everyone is saying "if gibbs wants hims , he's staying, if gibbs doesn't want smoot, then he's leaving" now i know gibbs will have the final say when he gives his list of who he wants to stay and who he wants gone to mr. snyder but believe you me greg williams will have a lot of the decision making concerning the defense. if williams says to gibbs that he doesn't need smoot and on top of that smoot trys to hold out as long as possible for the big money , then gibbs will suggest to dan that smoot be gone. on the other hand if williams says he really needs smoot to stay , then i think gibbs tells dan to do what he can to keep smoot.

12-31-2004, 06:43 PM	#11
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 41 Posts: 3,109	I already think it is the worst run in football.

12-31-2004, 07:12 PM	#12
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	Two first rounders for Fred Smoot? What the hell are you talking about? I seriously doubt we could get one. We'd spend more on a top 5 pick then top 10 CB money? Doubt it, Ramseyfan!

01-01-2005, 02:18 PM	#13
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	Why not? Gibbs flawless record when it comes to playing GM? Or maybe the Brunell deal he pushed hard for?

01-01-2005, 04:48 PM	#15
Redskins_P Fight for old DC! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Aldie, VA Age: 47 Posts: 4,101	This is from Pastabelly's column on the 24th. I wonder which coach he was talking about? Although there is at least one coach on the Washington staff who does not want Fred Smoot back in 2005, the Redskins may designate the standout cornerback a franchise player if a contract extension cannot be reached. ...

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