Redskins FA's: Who's staying & who's not..?

ChounsMan · 01-31-2005, 04:02 PM

Tim Hasselbeck QB ERFA Redskins
Andre Lott DB ERFA Redskins
John Simon RB ERFA Redskins
Ron Warner DL ERFA Redskins
Pat Dennis DB RFA Redskins
Demetric Evans DL RFA Redskins
Todd Franz DB RFA Redskins
Lemar Marshall LB RFA Redskins
Antonio Pierce LB RFA Redskins
Fred Smoot DB RFA Redskins
Ray Brown OL UFA Redskins
Rock Cartwright RB UFA Redskins
Chris Clemons LB UFA Redskins
Kenyatta Jones OL UFA Redskins
Brian Kozlowski TE UFA Redskins
Joe Salave'a DL UFA Redskins
Michael Sellers TE UFA Redskins

Here's who I see coming back in '05
TE Kozlowski (if Cooley plays more H-back)
DL Salave'a (just another playing piece of Williams excellent D scheme)
LB Pierce (Kid was off the hook leading the D with 112 tackles & a PB selection)
CB Smoot (a must, Smoot needs to prove that Bailey was more hype)
DB Lott (career backup at best)
DB Franz (another NFL Europe project gone good)
OL Brown (old, but still a tree to move, Jansen at 100% leaves Brown where he belongs, warming the bench in late Dec.)
QB Hasselbeck (who else is going to backup, QB Dan Orlovsky?)
RB Rock (if the Skins don't plan to draft a RB?)
LB Clemons (another viable backup)
DL Evans (NFL Europe help Evans become the Skins starting DE in '04)
LB Marshall (Marshall had a career season with the Skins & that should earn him another tour with the Skins)

What's your thoughts...?

TheMalcolmConnection · 01-31-2005, 04:05 PM

I'd love to see Clemons being a 3rd DE/decoy. If he played all year I bet he would have topped 10+ sacks. Fast as LIGHTENING.

MTK · 01-31-2005, 04:09 PM

Re-signed:
Hasselbeck
Lott
Warner
Dennis
Evans
Franz
Marshall
Pierce
Brown
Clemons
Salave'a
Sellers

Gone:
Smoot
Simon
Cartwright
Kozlowski

backrow · 01-31-2005, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Re-signed:
Hasselbeck
Lott
Warner
Dennis
Evans
Franz
Marshall
Pierce
Brown
Clemons
Salave'a
Sellers

Gone:
Smoot
Simon
Cartwright
Kozlowski

One thing for sure, Matty the Moderator has clearly thought this out!
I seldom disagree with you man! Matty, even though you are much younger, we think alike with regard to our Favorite team!

ChounsMan · 02-01-2005, 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Re-signed:
Hasselbeck
Lott
Warner
Dennis
Evans
Franz
Marshall
Pierce
Brown
Clemons
Salave'a
Sellers

Gone:
Smoot
Simon
Cartwright
Kozlowski

How do you see Smoot gone...? Who else do they have that's going to cover the #1 WR each week, Springs...?

MTK · 02-01-2005, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChounsMan

How do you see Smoot gone...? Who else do they have that's going to cover the #1 WR each week, Springs...?

How do I see him gone, question should be how can you see him coming back??

The latest word is both sides are still far apart on $$ and just going by what Gibbs has said, it really sounds like the Skins are going to play hardball with Smoot and aren't going to give him a penny more than they are offering.

Smoot is looking for a bonus in the range of $14M, the Skins are reportedly offering around $10M, that's a significant gap.

Smoot is looking for big time money and I don't blame him, but the team can't afford to tie up mega bucks at the corner position, not when other key guys need to be re-signed as well like Pierce.

My gut feeling is the decision has been made to start Harris next year along with Springs. Williams really likes the younger guys too like Wilds, and perhaps they'll pick up a cheap free agent corner to back up Harris.

TheMalcolmConnection · 01-31-2005, 04:17 PM

I won't believe Smoot is gone, I just won't believe it!

FRPLG · 01-31-2005, 04:23 PM

BACK:
Tim Hasselbeck QB ERFA Redskins
Andre Lott DB ERFA Redskins
Ron Warner DL ERFA Redskins
Pat Dennis DB RFA Redskins
Demetric Evans DL RFA Redskins
Todd Franz DB RFA Redskins
Lemar Marshall LB RFA Redskins
Antonio Pierce LB RFA Redskins
Fred Smoot DB RFA Redskins
Ray Brown OL UFA Redskins
Chris Clemons LB UFA Redskins
Joe Salave'a DL UFA Redskins

GONE:
Rock Cartwright RB UFA Redskins
Brian Kozlowski TE UFA Redskins
Michael Sellers TE UFA Redskins
John Simon RB ERFA Redskins

LONG GONE:
Kenyatta Jones OL UFA Redskins

TheMalcolmConnection · 01-31-2005, 04:28 PM

Kenyatta Jones was the unheralded star of the line. How can you bash him, he's a hero!

sportscurmudgeon · 01-31-2005, 04:49 PM

I suspect that Clemons and Salave'a will get some offers as UFAs. So I think that the Skins will have to treat both of these guys as "budget items" and see if they can afford to keep them. Given no cap restrictions, I'm pretty sure that the team would want both of them.

I think that the Skins will keep either Simon or Cartwright - whichever one they think is the better Special Teams player.

Smoot's staying or going is completely dependent on the money. I don't think he will get a deal similar to the one that Champ got in Denver but I can see him pulling down a nice $12-14M signing bonus for a 6 year deal. Will the Skins match that?

I worry about losing Evans and/or Marshall; both of these guys did a lot of good things during the year that were underappreciated.

PSUskinsfan11 · 01-31-2005, 06:42 PM

staying:
Clemons
Pierce
Salavea
Hasselback
Evans
Franz
Lott
Simon
Brown
Warner
hopefully Smoot

Gone:
Marshall
Dennis
Koz
Rock
Sellers

EEich · 01-31-2005, 06:30 PM

I gotta think that Smoot is looking for elite CB money.
He won't find that anywhere.
That said. he won't even come close to signing with the Redskins.

skinsguy · 01-31-2005, 07:19 PM

Staying:

Clemons, Pierce, Hasselback, Franz, Lott, Salave'a Marshall, Brown - as a backup

Gone:

Smoot, Sellers, Cartwright, Kozlowski.....

Big C · 01-31-2005, 07:24 PM

kenyatta was released mid season i thought. but i think we end up bringing smoot back. an article on espn sed that gibbs said progress was being made, even though they were still not close. koz is gone i think. i think we will keep most of the others if not all

TheMalcolmConnection · 01-31-2005, 10:14 PM

I feel for poor Rock Cartwright, he just wasn't a fit in Gibbs' system.

01-31-2005, 04:05 PM	#2
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	I'd love to see Clemons being a 3rd DE/decoy. If he played all year I bet he would have topped 10+ sacks. Fast as LIGHTENING. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

01-31-2005, 04:17 PM	#7
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	I won't believe Smoot is gone, I just won't believe it! __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

01-31-2005, 04:28 PM	#9
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Kenyatta Jones was the unheralded star of the line. How can you bash him, he's a hero! __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

01-31-2005, 04:49 PM	#10
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	I suspect that Clemons and Salave'a will get some offers as UFAs. So I think that the Skins will have to treat both of these guys as "budget items" and see if they can afford to keep them. Given no cap restrictions, I'm pretty sure that the team would want both of them. I think that the Skins will keep either Simon or Cartwright - whichever one they think is the better Special Teams player. Smoot's staying or going is completely dependent on the money. I don't think he will get a deal similar to the one that Champ got in Denver but I can see him pulling down a nice $12-14M signing bonus for a 6 year deal. Will the Skins match that? I worry about losing Evans and/or Marshall; both of these guys did a lot of good things during the year that were underappreciated. __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

01-31-2005, 07:24 PM	#14
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 39 Posts: 4,453	kenyatta was released mid season i thought. but i think we end up bringing smoot back. an article on espn sed that gibbs said progress was being made, even though they were still not close. koz is gone i think. i think we will keep most of the others if not all __________________ "I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Joe Gibbs

01-31-2005, 04:02 PM	#1
ChounsMan Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Connecticut Age: 54 Posts: 312	Redskins FA's: Who's staying & who's not..? Tim Hasselbeck QB ERFA Redskins Andre Lott DB ERFA Redskins John Simon RB ERFA Redskins Ron Warner DL ERFA Redskins Pat Dennis DB RFA Redskins Demetric Evans DL RFA Redskins Todd Franz DB RFA Redskins Lemar Marshall LB RFA Redskins Antonio Pierce LB RFA Redskins Fred Smoot DB RFA Redskins Ray Brown OL UFA Redskins Rock Cartwright RB UFA Redskins Chris Clemons LB UFA Redskins Kenyatta Jones OL UFA Redskins Brian Kozlowski TE UFA Redskins Joe Salave'a DL UFA Redskins Michael Sellers TE UFA Redskins Here's who I see coming back in '05 TE Kozlowski (if Cooley plays more H-back) DL Salave'a (just another playing piece of Williams excellent D scheme) LB Pierce (Kid was off the hook leading the D with 112 tackles & a PB selection) CB Smoot (a must, Smoot needs to prove that Bailey was more hype) DB Lott (career backup at best) DB Franz (another NFL Europe project gone good) OL Brown (old, but still a tree to move, Jansen at 100% leaves Brown where he belongs, warming the bench in late Dec.) QB Hasselbeck (who else is going to backup, QB Dan Orlovsky?) RB Rock (if the Skins don't plan to draft a RB?) LB Clemons (another viable backup) DL Evans (NFL Europe help Evans become the Skins starting DE in '04) LB Marshall (Marshall had a career season with the Skins & that should earn him another tour with the Skins) What's your thoughts...? __________________ Throwing on 4th and inches..!

01-31-2005, 04:09 PM	#3
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Re-signed: Hasselbeck Lott Warner Dennis Evans Franz Marshall Pierce Brown Clemons Salave'a Sellers Gone: Smoot Simon Cartwright Kozlowski

01-31-2005, 04:23 PM	#8
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	BACK: Tim Hasselbeck QB ERFA Redskins Andre Lott DB ERFA Redskins Ron Warner DL ERFA Redskins Pat Dennis DB RFA Redskins Demetric Evans DL RFA Redskins Todd Franz DB RFA Redskins Lemar Marshall LB RFA Redskins Antonio Pierce LB RFA Redskins Fred Smoot DB RFA Redskins Ray Brown OL UFA Redskins Chris Clemons LB UFA Redskins Joe Salave'a DL UFA Redskins GONE: Rock Cartwright RB UFA Redskins Brian Kozlowski TE UFA Redskins Michael Sellers TE UFA Redskins John Simon RB ERFA Redskins LONG GONE: Kenyatta Jones OL UFA Redskins

01-31-2005, 06:42 PM	#11
PSUskinsfan11 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: the port, PA Age: 40 Posts: 692	staying: Clemons Pierce Salavea Hasselback Evans Franz Lott Simon Brown Warner hopefully Smoot Gone: Marshall Dennis Koz Rock Sellers

01-31-2005, 06:30 PM	#12
EEich The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bristol, CT Age: 61 Posts: 1,001	I gotta think that Smoot is looking for elite CB money. He won't find that anywhere. That said. he won't even come close to signing with the Redskins.

01-31-2005, 07:19 PM	#13
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Staying: Clemons, Pierce, Hasselback, Franz, Lott, Salave'a Marshall, Brown - as a backup Gone: Smoot, Sellers, Cartwright, Kozlowski.....

01-31-2005, 10:14 PM	#15
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	I feel for poor Rock Cartwright, he just wasn't a fit in Gibbs' system. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

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