DB Option

Skinsfanatic · 03-30-2005, 07:02 AM

OK, I was reading Peter Kings (I don't like him either) article from the other day on CNNSI, and I noticed he said this:

"Saban loves draft picks: He wants more of them. He is in mourning over the fact the Dolphins don't have their second-round selection this year (they dealt it for A.J. Feeley last year), and I see Saban holding out for a second- or a third-round pick for cornerback Patrick Surtain. Right now, the best offer out there for Surtain is Kansas City's fourth-round pick."

Is it just me, or wouldn't it make LOTS of sense for us to trade a third rounder for Surtain (if that is actually an option)? I mean, it would free up our first rounder for the D Line or allow us to trade down more comfortably (which I would prefer) while giving us a top notch corner to line up beside Springs.

Gmanc711 · 03-30-2005, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Skinsfanatic

OK, I was reading Peter Kings (I don't like him either) article from the other day on CNNSI, and I noticed he said this:

"Saban loves draft picks: He wants more of them. He is in mourning over the fact the Dolphins don't have their second-round selection this year (they dealt it for A.J. Feeley last year), and I see Saban holding out for a second- or a third-round pick for cornerback Patrick Surtain. Right now, the best offer out there for Surtain is Kansas City's fourth-round pick."

Is it just me, or wouldn't it make LOTS of sense for us to trade a third rounder for Surtain (if that is actually an option)? I mean, it would free up our first rounder for the D Line or allow us to trade down more comfortably (which I would prefer) while giving us a top notch corner to line up beside Springs.

I know Surtin brings a 8.1 Million Dollar cap hit with him; so if that was wiped out and reduced somewhere long the way, I wouldnt mind it. Its still hard to tell, because who knows what we will be left with on draft day.

Skinsfanatic · 03-30-2005, 07:44 AM

The cap hit is an issue. But, contracts can be reworked and bonuses spread out. I just think it makes a lot of sense to bring in a young pro bowler with a 3rd rounder instead of using a first rounder on a guy who might find the same level of success in the NFL he had in college.

FRPLG · 03-30-2005, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Gmanc711

I know Surtin brings a 8.1 Million Dollar cap hit with him; so if that was wiped out and reduced somewhere long the way, I wouldnt mind it. Its still hard to tell, because who knows what we will be left with on draft day.

Are we sure about the cap hit? I don't have much knowledge on his contract but could that be the hit for Miami? Much like Coles maybe the huit isn't as big for a team who trades for him. Also...doens't he have some "issues" . I seem to remember him being somewhat of a malcontent. We don't need any of those.

Drift Reality · 03-30-2005, 12:15 PM

Why does he bring that cap hit with him?

If a player is traded, the remainder of his signing bonus is accelerated onto next year's cap - for the team that trades him.

We would pick up his salary, but it would all be unguaranteed money.

CC - can you chime in on this?

diehardskin2982 · 03-30-2005, 01:18 PM

i don't think we need him he'll demand a contract higher than what smoot asked for and that ain't gonna happen

Skinsfanatic · 03-30-2005, 01:19 PM

He's better than Smoot. Just thought that was worth mentioning.

TheMalcolmConnection · 03-30-2005, 01:21 PM

I haven't checked, but what is our cap looking like in 2006? I think it's an interesting option.

Daseal · 03-30-2005, 05:14 PM

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He's better than Smoot. Just thought that was worth mentioning.

Very true, but I'm curious what the salaries look like side by side. I think that's the only reason the fins are having trouble unloaded Surtain for anything decent.

With the escalated Coles hit I'm GUESSING that we have more room in 2006.

BigSKINBauer · 03-30-2005, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Skinsfanatic

OK, I was reading Peter Kings (I don't like him either) article from the other day on CNNSI, and I noticed he said this:

"Saban loves draft picks: He wants more of them. He is in mourning over the fact the Dolphins don't have their second-round selection this year (they dealt it for A.J. Feeley last year), and I see Saban holding out for a second- or a third-round pick for cornerback Patrick Surtain. Right now, the best offer out there for Surtain is Kansas City's fourth-round pick."

Is it just me, or wouldn't it make LOTS of sense for us to trade a third rounder for Surtain (if that is actually an option)? I mean, it would free up our first rounder for the D Line or allow us to trade down more comfortably (which I would prefer) while giving us a top notch corner to line up beside Springs.

I thought about this before and i would but thats just me, how much mula $$ would he ask for

Monksdown · 03-30-2005, 06:19 PM

Trotter drops off our cap after this year. And I cant remember if our deal with coles was in time to not affect next year. Trotter clears up lots of space.

offiss · 03-30-2005, 06:33 PM

Snyder is not the only one who wants to sign and pay big bucks for established talent. No we can't afford him, why? because we spent way to much money signing everyone else's players it gets expensive, at some point we have to really on the draft and our ability to assess unproven talent, so we can keep the cap within reason.

SKINSnCANES · 03-30-2005, 08:22 PM

we could have afforded him if coles didnt account for over 9 million this year. Yes, Surtain is a steal for a 3rd rounder, but its not an option our team has.

SmootSmack · 04-01-2005, 07:47 PM

Sounds like Surtain is ready to go to KC

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/f...dolphins-front

SKINSnCANES · 04-01-2005, 07:52 PM

KC looks like they are goign to have a good team next year. They are definitly working hard to try and upgrade that defense.

03-30-2005, 07:02 AM	#1
Skinsfanatic The Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,386	DB Option OK, I was reading Peter Kings (I don't like him either) article from the other day on CNNSI, and I noticed he said this: "Saban loves draft picks: He wants more of them. He is in mourning over the fact the Dolphins don't have their second-round selection this year (they dealt it for A.J. Feeley last year), and I see Saban holding out for a second- or a third-round pick for cornerback Patrick Surtain. Right now, the best offer out there for Surtain is Kansas City's fourth-round pick." Is it just me, or wouldn't it make LOTS of sense for us to trade a third rounder for Surtain (if that is actually an option)? I mean, it would free up our first rounder for the D Line or allow us to trade down more comfortably (which I would prefer) while giving us a top notch corner to line up beside Springs.

03-30-2005, 07:44 AM	#3
Skinsfanatic The Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,386	Re: DB Option The cap hit is an issue. But, contracts can be reworked and bonuses spread out. I just think it makes a lot of sense to bring in a young pro bowler with a 3rd rounder instead of using a first rounder on a guy who might find the same level of success in the NFL he had in college.

03-30-2005, 12:15 PM	#5
Drift Reality Impact Rookie Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 506	Re: DB Option Why does he bring that cap hit with him? If a player is traded, the remainder of his signing bonus is accelerated onto next year's cap - for the team that trades him. We would pick up his salary, but it would all be unguaranteed money. CC - can you chime in on this? __________________ Drift Reality DC City Blog New Influencer

03-30-2005, 01:18 PM	#6
diehardskin2982 Another Year, another mess. Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,581	Re: DB Option i don't think we need him he'll demand a contract higher than what smoot asked for and that ain't gonna happen __________________ That got ugly fast

03-30-2005, 01:19 PM	#7
Skinsfanatic The Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,386	Re: DB Option He's better than Smoot. Just thought that was worth mentioning.

03-30-2005, 01:21 PM	#8
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: DB Option I haven't checked, but what is our cap looking like in 2006? I think it's an interesting option. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

03-30-2005, 06:19 PM	#11
Monksdown The Starter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Warrenton, Virginia Age: 45 Posts: 1,515	Re: DB Option Trotter drops off our cap after this year. And I cant remember if our deal with coles was in time to not affect next year. Trotter clears up lots of space.

03-30-2005, 06:33 PM	#12
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 61 Posts: 3,097	Re: DB Option Snyder is not the only one who wants to sign and pay big bucks for established talent. No we can't afford him, why? because we spent way to much money signing everyone else's players it gets expensive, at some point we have to really on the draft and our ability to assess unproven talent, so we can keep the cap within reason.

03-30-2005, 08:22 PM	#13
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 43 Posts: 5,455	Re: DB Option we could have afforded him if coles didnt account for over 9 million this year. Yes, Surtain is a steal for a 3rd rounder, but its not an option our team has. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

04-01-2005, 07:47 PM	#14
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: DB Option Sounds like Surtain is ready to go to KC http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/f...dolphins-front __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

04-01-2005, 07:52 PM	#15
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 43 Posts: 5,455	Re: DB Option KC looks like they are goign to have a good team next year. They are definitly working hard to try and upgrade that defense. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

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