Dr. Cheeks criticizes campbell pick and Gibbs on NFL.com

FARAPS · 05-01-2005, 11:44 PM

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/8427351

SKINNING THE TEAM

The Broncos and Redskins are in trading cahoots again, but there is no argument this year as to which team got the better deal. The Redskins surrendered their third-round pick (76th overall) in this year's draft, along with first- and fourth-round selections in 2006 to acquire the 25th pick overall from the Broncos. The rumor was that they wanted Jason Campbell, Brown and Williams' quarterback at Auburn, with the pick.

Everyone seems to agree that it was a steep price to pay to move up to the 25th pick, and drafting Campbell didn't make it any better. Not since the first year of the common draft in 1967 had two running backs and a quarterback from the same college been selected in the first round of the draft.

I'm no college scout, I'm the first to admit, but I saw plenty of SEC games this year and Campbell didn't impress me any more than what I saw of other quarterbacks like Kyle Orton (fourth round) or 2003 Heisman Trophy winner, Jason White (undrafted).

(By the way, what a strange world it is when the former Heisman winner doesn't get drafted, but a backup QB from USC, Matt Cassel, does after completing 20 passes in his college career, and so does the quarterback from Harvard, Ryan Fitzpatrick.)

Why the big deal about Campbell and the Redskins? Well, because they traded three picks to the Broncos, including next year's first-round pick. They supposedly had turned down top picks in exchange for Ramsey last year but started Mark Brunell when no one else would even sign him. We know how that turned out.

The Washington defense will be excellent once again, but the offense will continue to scare Joe Gibbs and the fans who once thought so highly of him. Hey, they saw the fall of Michael Jordan a few years ago with the Wizards, so it might not be quite as painful with Gibbs the second time around.

To make matters more confusing, Gibbs said after the draft that "it takes a long time to get (a quarterback) ready to play for you, so we felt like it was something value-wise that we had to do."

Well, considering how old you and your coaching staff are, coach, do you really think you have a long time? Considering how impatient the fans and owner seem to be the last five years, is it really worth developing another quarterback after all the trouble you went through last year?

skinsguy · 05-01-2005, 11:49 PM

Pure Crap. Nothing more. Nothing less.

FARAPS · 05-01-2005, 11:53 PM

i agree, who does this guy think he is criticizing GIBBS, he doesnt know s**t he even admits it yet continues to talk..

kingerock · 05-01-2005, 11:54 PM

seems he doesn't like the Skins for other reasons. No substance to his arguements on Campbell/Gibbs

offiss · 05-02-2005, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by kingerock

seems he doesn't like the Skins for other reasons. No substance to his arguements on Campbell/Gibbs

I wouldn't say no substance, he has basically stated what everyone else has been saying in and around the NFL, as well as on this board. He didn't sound like he has an axe to grind with us just stating his opinion. There are plenty worse out there who have to go out of their way to knock us and basically misrepresent us I don't think he did that here.

Paintrain · 05-02-2005, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by The Idiot Who Wrote the Initial Article

I'm no college scout, I'm the first to admit, but I saw plenty of SEC games this year and Campbell didn't impress me any more than what I saw of other quarterbacks like Kyle Orton (fourth round) or 2003 Heisman Trophy winner, Jason White (undrafted).

The article should have ended right there.. He just undermined any credibility for the rest of the article right there. So someone who was universally a late 1st-early 2nd round pick didn't impress him anymore than an undrafted QB.. And his point is? Yet another reason not to read most of the drivel that is out there..

offiss · 05-02-2005, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Paintrain

The article should have ended right there.. He just undermined any credibility for the rest of the article right there. So someone who was universally a late 1st-early 2nd round pick didn't impress him anymore than an undrafted QB.. And his point is? Yet another reason not to read most of the drivel that is out there..

His point is Campbell didn't impress anymore than than an undrafted QB, pointing out that in his opinion we overpaid or a QB that wasen't any more special than a second day pick.

MTK · 05-02-2005, 01:04 AM

It's just one person's opinion, don't get too crazy over it.

FARAPS · 05-02-2005, 01:08 AM

why does nfl.com even have someone doing draft analysis who knows nothing about college football?

Paintrain · 05-02-2005, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by offiss

His point is Campbell didn't impress anymore than than an undrafted QB, pointing out that in his opinion we overpaid or a QB that wasen't any more special than a second day pick.

I understand that, but with his admitted lack of scouting ability what credibility does he have to judge anymore than the guy who puts mayo on my sandwich at Subway? His eye isn't trained to see what scouts see.. Most of the prognosticators had Campbell pegged as late 1st, early 2nd round.. This guy had him on par with undrafted players.. My point is why should any credence be given to his opinion?

dblanch66 · 05-02-2005, 04:56 AM

Gregg Williams seemed to like what he saw at the mini camp. I'll take his word over some lame ass "journalist".

offiss · 05-02-2005, 05:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I understand that, but with his admitted lack of scouting ability what credibility does he have to judge anymore than the guy who puts mayo on my sandwich at Subway? His eye isn't trained to see what scouts see.. Most of the prognosticators had Campbell pegged as late 1st, early 2nd round.. This guy had him on par with undrafted players.. My point is why should any credence be given to his opinion?

Well I guess were going to find out whether we should have or not, but it will be a while before we know.

BigSKINBauer · 05-02-2005, 07:06 AM

first of all the guy calls himself dr. cheeks

next i guess i have come to mends w/ this trade. i mean if we truly need a new QB it isn't to bad of a pick. I think we did however get a good player that will develope in the next year, so by next year he will have more talent than those in the draft and a first for first isn't that big of a deal. Next the 3+4, the third for this year stung really bad and i hated it, the forth for next year isn't to big of a deal to me but we did get McCune in later rounds this year.

If i had the choice to do this trade again would i do it? No i would try to take back the third and thats about it otherwise it wasn't THAT bad

BigSKINBauer · 05-02-2005, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by dblanch66

Gregg Williams seemed to like what he saw at the mini camp. I'll take his word over some lame ass "journalist".

i just think that big GW might be a liitle bias. and even if he did suck i doubt BIG GW would say that

Hog1 · 05-02-2005, 10:14 AM

I must say, I value that opinion as much as I do any other non-football opinion. There may be a reason why this person has the time to offer up such insanity regarding an incredible proven Hall of Fame coach. He has time because of all the time he spends NOT COACHING!

05-01-2005, 11:44 PM	#1
FARAPS Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 21	Dr. Cheeks criticizes campbell pick and Gibbs on NFL.com http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/8427351 SKINNING THE TEAM The Broncos and Redskins are in trading cahoots again, but there is no argument this year as to which team got the better deal. The Redskins surrendered their third-round pick (76th overall) in this year's draft, along with first- and fourth-round selections in 2006 to acquire the 25th pick overall from the Broncos. The rumor was that they wanted Jason Campbell, Brown and Williams' quarterback at Auburn, with the pick. Everyone seems to agree that it was a steep price to pay to move up to the 25th pick, and drafting Campbell didn't make it any better. Not since the first year of the common draft in 1967 had two running backs and a quarterback from the same college been selected in the first round of the draft. I'm no college scout, I'm the first to admit, but I saw plenty of SEC games this year and Campbell didn't impress me any more than what I saw of other quarterbacks like Kyle Orton (fourth round) or 2003 Heisman Trophy winner, Jason White (undrafted). (By the way, what a strange world it is when the former Heisman winner doesn't get drafted, but a backup QB from USC, Matt Cassel, does after completing 20 passes in his college career, and so does the quarterback from Harvard, Ryan Fitzpatrick.) Why the big deal about Campbell and the Redskins? Well, because they traded three picks to the Broncos, including next year's first-round pick. They supposedly had turned down top picks in exchange for Ramsey last year but started Mark Brunell when no one else would even sign him. We know how that turned out. The Washington defense will be excellent once again, but the offense will continue to scare Joe Gibbs and the fans who once thought so highly of him. Hey, they saw the fall of Michael Jordan a few years ago with the Wizards, so it might not be quite as painful with Gibbs the second time around. To make matters more confusing, Gibbs said after the draft that "it takes a long time to get (a quarterback) ready to play for you, so we felt like it was something value-wise that we had to do." Well, considering how old you and your coaching staff are, coach, do you really think you have a long time? Considering how impatient the fans and owner seem to be the last five years, is it really worth developing another quarterback after all the trouble you went through last year?

05-01-2005, 11:49 PM	#2
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Re: Dr. Cheeks criticizes campbell pick and Gibbs on NFL.com Pure Crap. Nothing more. Nothing less. __________________ "Fire Up That Diesel!"

05-01-2005, 11:53 PM	#3
FARAPS Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 21	Re: Dr. Cheeks criticizes campbell pick and Gibbs on NFL.com i agree, who does this guy think he is criticizing GIBBS, he doesnt know s**t he even admits it yet continues to talk..

05-01-2005, 11:54 PM	#4
kingerock Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Killeen, TX Age: 49 Posts: 360	Re: Dr. Cheeks criticizes campbell pick and Gibbs on NFL.com seems he doesn't like the Skins for other reasons. No substance to his arguements on Campbell/Gibbs __________________ Redskins fan lost in Texas for 20 years. Need a ride to D.C.

05-02-2005, 01:04 AM	#8
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,878	Re: Dr. Cheeks criticizes campbell pick and Gibbs on NFL.com It's just one person's opinion, don't get too crazy over it.

05-02-2005, 01:08 AM	#9
FARAPS Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 21	Re: Dr. Cheeks criticizes campbell pick and Gibbs on NFL.com why does nfl.com even have someone doing draft analysis who knows nothing about college football?

05-02-2005, 04:56 AM	#11
dblanch66 The Starter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Age: 59 Posts: 1,176	Re: Dr. Cheeks criticizes campbell pick and Gibbs on NFL.com Gregg Williams seemed to like what he saw at the mini camp. I'll take his word over some lame ass "journalist".

05-02-2005, 07:06 AM	#13
BigSKINBauer Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Washington, DC Age: 37 Posts: 5,688	Re: Dr. Cheeks criticizes campbell pick and Gibbs on NFL.com first of all the guy calls himself dr. cheeks next i guess i have come to mends w/ this trade. i mean if we truly need a new QB it isn't to bad of a pick. I think we did however get a good player that will develope in the next year, so by next year he will have more talent than those in the draft and a first for first isn't that big of a deal. Next the 3+4, the third for this year stung really bad and i hated it, the forth for next year isn't to big of a deal to me but we did get McCune in later rounds this year. If i had the choice to do this trade again would i do it? No i would try to take back the third and thats about it otherwise it wasn't THAT bad

05-02-2005, 10:14 AM	#15
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 10,675	Re: Dr. Cheeks criticizes campbell pick and Gibbs on NFL.com I must say, I value that opinion as much as I do any other non-football opinion. There may be a reason why this person has the time to offer up such insanity regarding an incredible proven Hall of Fame coach. He has time because of all the time he spends NOT COACHING!

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