NFL Officiating

Chico23231 · 12-01-2015, 10:09 AM

Folks its been the worst year for officiating ever...Its really terrible out there.

Falls on the commissioner Goodell just as much as the NFL officials. Goodell been absolutely terrible is every facet of his job.

Looks like there is a little accountability going one which is great and impacts our game next Monday:

Pete Morelli’s crew yanked from Week 13 Monday night game | ProFootballTalk

This really affects the quality of play, speed of the game, etc. Goodell really needs to clean this crap up and I think it starts with simplifying some rules...I couldn't tell you what a catch is...

Thoughts, observations?

SFREDSKIN · 12-01-2015, 10:25 AM

Sucks!!!!!!!!!!

MTK · 12-01-2015, 10:43 AM

Worst year ever? Kind of hard to substantiate that. Every year is pretty awful. I think it starts with the rules committee, can we clean up this what's a catch BS? I think they need to allow some calls to be reviewed too. Too many phantom holding/roughing calls.

NoCalHail · 12-01-2015, 11:25 AM

I am not sure why the NFL doesn't go to a system more like MLB where when something is challenged they buzz it in to a replay room back in the studio where they have access to every single angle, frame by frame pausing etc etc etc....it is getting awfully annoying when we constantly see the officials on Fox chime in about how the call *should* go, and then the officials in the game basically come to the opposite conclusion.

Right now I think inconsistency is the single biggest issue. Allowing one team to play physical, while penalizing another for virtually playing the same way. It seems like this has been a problem whenever you deal teams who have a reputation for playing stiff defense, they are all of the sudden awarded the right to get away with more grabbing, holding, hitting and when their opponent tries to reciprocate they get flagged up and down the field.

Something that has kind of seemed to have gone away a lot is not throwing the flag for PI when the football is clearly uncatchable. I am seeing flags thrown when the ball is thrown 5 yards past a WR or 10 ft over their head and the contact was very minimal.

Chico23231 · 12-01-2015, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by MTK

Worst year ever? Kind of hard to substantiate that. Every year is pretty awful. I think it starts with the rules committee, can we clean up this what's a catch BS? I think they need to allow some calls to be reviewed too. Too many phantom holding/roughing calls.

it seems like a major questionable call/non call/end of game play clock/game clock screw up every week. I never thought it was this bad before.

That game we played with the ladies man, head official "booger?" crew against Carolina was just insane...that crew throws a ton of penalties and had several questionable calls. As frustrating it already is of being a Skins fan...bad officiating makes it 10 times worse...

over the mountain · 12-01-2015, 12:30 PM

Yes, Boger's crew throws an alarmingly high number of flags compared to the other crews. There is a link out there.

They need to hire guys full time from August to Super Bowl. On the radio they said one guy was referring a high school basketball game saturday before the pats game last week. the argument that these guys have other jobs doesnt sway me. I dont need an attorney like Ed hochuli to also be a ref. I like Ed but he should choose what he wants to do. one or the other.

I never understood why the NFL took a "zero negotiation" stance with the refs during the CBA renewal period. Yes, the refs were asking for a little too much imo but you could have negotiated them down. I can only assume there was much more to it than I would know.

eventually the NFL will figure out a better process, i just dont understand why it is taking so long to adopt some common sense ideas that ppl have been floating out there for decades now.

there is also an article on espn about how this year there was a ton of turn over.

also - replay should be initiated in NY right away if any play looks iffy without stopping the clock or notifying teh refs etc. if NY needs more time or wants to overturn a play they should then be able to buzz the refs and go from there.

Skinzman · 12-01-2015, 12:42 PM

Part time employees trying to figure out rules made by the idiots on the rules committee. Simply put, its a recipe for disaster. When it comes to "sports" that have better refs, and you feel obligated to include the WWE as one of those, its become horrendous.

Ruhskins · 12-01-2015, 12:45 PM

I think the Owners, and more specifically the competition committee needs to clean up a lot of these rules as it was said earlier.

I also don't understand why the NFL doesn't consider using technology in officiating. Why can't they have an official watching the game on a TV monitor?

Also, more calls need to be reviewed, especially on big penalties or game changing penalties (like the Culliver PF).

CRedskinsRule · 12-01-2015, 01:00 PM

I agree with most everything said here. When they were negotiating, I heard a bunch of arguments against full time officials. None of them hold water to the crud that is put out every week across the league.

imo, they ought to have full time officials, and they ought to make sure they are physically capable of keeping up with the speed of the game (yes let Mike Shanahan run the referee conditioning tests!!!)

Then, they ought to employ virtual games in the off-season, running the critical plays of the last two years through VR headsets, purposely putting errors and bad judgement calls in, and grade the refs on the virtual games.

Otherwise, it seems like the conspiracy theories of the NFL wanting so and so to win or lose will continue forever, and the game will only get worse.

Ruhskins · 12-01-2015, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I agree with most everything said here. When they were negotiating, I heard a bunch of arguments against full time officials. None of them hold water to the crud that is put out every week across the league.

imo, they ought to have full time officials, and they ought to make sure they are physically capable of keeping up with the speed of the game (yes let Mike Shanahan run the referee conditioning tests!!!)

Then, they ought to employ virtual games in the off-season, running the critical plays of the last two years through VR headsets, purposely putting errors and bad judgement calls in, and grade the refs on the virtual games.

Otherwise, it seems like the conspiracy theories of the NFL wanting so and so to win or lose will continue forever, and the game will only get worse.

I thought I heard Andrew Brandt on the Ross Tucker podcast saying that the officials were against doing this, while the league actually wanted this. Given the issues in officiating, I can't see the NFL having an issue making this happening now.

over the mountain · 12-01-2015, 02:27 PM

Beginning in 2013, the NFL will have the option of hiring a to-be-determined number of full-time officials to work year-round, including on the field. The NFL will have the option to hire additional officials for training and development and assign them to work NFL games.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_NFL_referee_lockout

so has the NFl hired any year round refs to work on rules, rule interpretation and player safety?

a google only brings up headlines of "nfl hires first full-time female referee". Not sure if that means year round or not ...

http://www.footballzebras.com/

^^^ kinda interesting site. i know there is a MLB site where they have ump recaps of games and all the commentators are like high school umps and they talk and argue about refs like fans talk and argue about the actual teams/games. pretty damn funny. taken very seriously.

Evilgrin · 12-01-2015, 03:20 PM

The replay on every play is just so quick and so many angles, and the officials cant use it. We just see the bad calls more then ever before.

Chico23231 · 12-01-2015, 03:51 PM

Ive noticed too (and I forget which network) when they bring in that ref consultant Mike Carey? that turd is always freaking wrong. I laugh and just want to yell Redskin in his face....Mike Carey asked off Washington Redskins games due to nickname

eff that turd

Why is Mike Carey so horribly bad at analyzing replay challenges on CBS? | For The Win

lol found something about him...nice

CRedskinsRule · 12-01-2015, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I thought I heard Andrew Brandt on the Ross Tucker podcast saying that the officials were against doing this, while the league actually wanted this. Given the issues in officiating, I can't see the NFL having an issue making this happening now.

From - Why Are the NFL Refs Locked Out? It’s All in the Game | The Nation

{This could be a completely off-base representation, it's purely google knowledge with no fact checking or compare contrast research done, but it does ring true to me.}

Quote:

Look at the demands being made of the referees: NFL owners want them to stop being part-time labor and instead work full-time for the league. Sounds great, except they want the refs to eliminate their other sources of income while taking a 16 percent cut in salary. They also want to eliminate their pensions and replace them with 401k plans tied to the stock market. Put simply, the owners line is less pay, less benefits, and if you don’t like it we’re locking the doors.

HailGreen28 · 12-01-2015, 08:01 PM

The replacement officials were about the same. Maybe a little better. I think the "regular" officials would have made the same call in the GB SEA game, and technically it was the right call.

The NFL is basically a money printing machine. HIRE FULL TIME OFFICIALS. Have them train in the offseason and during the week. Watching film and participating in pro and college practices.

12-01-2015, 10:09 AM	#1
Chico23231 Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 35,021	NFL Officiating Folks its been the worst year for officiating ever...Its really terrible out there. Falls on the commissioner Goodell just as much as the NFL officials. Goodell been absolutely terrible is every facet of his job. Looks like there is a little accountability going one which is great and impacts our game next Monday: Pete Morelli’s crew yanked from Week 13 Monday night game \| ProFootballTalk This really affects the quality of play, speed of the game, etc. Goodell really needs to clean this crap up and I think it starts with simplifying some rules...I couldn't tell you what a catch is... Thoughts, observations?

12-01-2015, 10:25 AM	#2
SFREDSKIN Living Legend Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pacifica, CA Posts: 15,164	Re: NFL Officiating Sucks!!!!!!!!!! __________________ Joe Gibbs- The best coach of all time, Lombardi trophy should be renamed Gibbs. Art Monk- Art was like an OL playing WR, doing the dirty work and not getting the glory. Darrell Green- Best DB ever. Purveyor of fine Filth

12-01-2015, 10:43 AM	#3
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,832	Re: NFL Officiating Worst year ever? Kind of hard to substantiate that. Every year is pretty awful. I think it starts with the rules committee, can we clean up this what's a catch BS? I think they need to allow some calls to be reviewed too. Too many phantom holding/roughing calls. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

12-01-2015, 11:25 AM	#4
NoCalHail Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 368	Re: NFL Officiating I am not sure why the NFL doesn't go to a system more like MLB where when something is challenged they buzz it in to a replay room back in the studio where they have access to every single angle, frame by frame pausing etc etc etc....it is getting awfully annoying when we constantly see the officials on Fox chime in about how the call should go, and then the officials in the game basically come to the opposite conclusion. Right now I think inconsistency is the single biggest issue. Allowing one team to play physical, while penalizing another for virtually playing the same way. It seems like this has been a problem whenever you deal teams who have a reputation for playing stiff defense, they are all of the sudden awarded the right to get away with more grabbing, holding, hitting and when their opponent tries to reciprocate they get flagged up and down the field. Something that has kind of seemed to have gone away a lot is not throwing the flag for PI when the football is clearly uncatchable. I am seeing flags thrown when the ball is thrown 5 yards past a WR or 10 ft over their head and the contact was very minimal.

12-01-2015, 12:30 PM	#6
over the mountain Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: close to the edge Posts: 4,926	Re: NFL Officiating Yes, Boger's crew throws an alarmingly high number of flags compared to the other crews. There is a link out there. They need to hire guys full time from August to Super Bowl. On the radio they said one guy was referring a high school basketball game saturday before the pats game last week. the argument that these guys have other jobs doesnt sway me. I dont need an attorney like Ed hochuli to also be a ref. I like Ed but he should choose what he wants to do. one or the other. I never understood why the NFL took a "zero negotiation" stance with the refs during the CBA renewal period. Yes, the refs were asking for a little too much imo but you could have negotiated them down. I can only assume there was much more to it than I would know. eventually the NFL will figure out a better process, i just dont understand why it is taking so long to adopt some common sense ideas that ppl have been floating out there for decades now. there is also an article on espn about how this year there was a ton of turn over. also - replay should be initiated in NY right away if any play looks iffy without stopping the clock or notifying teh refs etc. if NY needs more time or wants to overturn a play they should then be able to buzz the refs and go from there.

12-01-2015, 12:42 PM	#7
Skinzman The Starter Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 1,066	Re: NFL Officiating Part time employees trying to figure out rules made by the idiots on the rules committee. Simply put, its a recipe for disaster. When it comes to "sports" that have better refs, and you feel obligated to include the WWE as one of those, its become horrendous.

12-01-2015, 12:45 PM	#8
Ruhskins Living Legend Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 22,378	Re: NFL Officiating I think the Owners, and more specifically the competition committee needs to clean up a lot of these rules as it was said earlier. I also don't understand why the NFL doesn't consider using technology in officiating. Why can't they have an official watching the game on a TV monitor? Also, more calls need to be reviewed, especially on big penalties or game changing penalties (like the Culliver PF). __________________ R.I.P. #21

12-01-2015, 01:00 PM	#9
CRedskinsRule Living Legend Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 58 Posts: 21,695	Re: NFL Officiating I agree with most everything said here. When they were negotiating, I heard a bunch of arguments against full time officials. None of them hold water to the crud that is put out every week across the league. imo, they ought to have full time officials, and they ought to make sure they are physically capable of keeping up with the speed of the game (yes let Mike Shanahan run the referee conditioning tests!!!) Then, they ought to employ virtual games in the off-season, running the critical plays of the last two years through VR headsets, purposely putting errors and bad judgement calls in, and grade the refs on the virtual games. Otherwise, it seems like the conspiracy theories of the NFL wanting so and so to win or lose will continue forever, and the game will only get worse.

12-01-2015, 02:27 PM	#11
over the mountain Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: close to the edge Posts: 4,926	Re: NFL Officiating Beginning in 2013, the NFL will have the option of hiring a to-be-determined number of full-time officials to work year-round, including on the field. The NFL will have the option to hire additional officials for training and development and assign them to work NFL games. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_NFL_referee_lockout so has the NFl hired any year round refs to work on rules, rule interpretation and player safety? a google only brings up headlines of "nfl hires first full-time female referee". Not sure if that means year round or not ... http://www.footballzebras.com/ ^^^ kinda interesting site. i know there is a MLB site where they have ump recaps of games and all the commentators are like high school umps and they talk and argue about refs like fans talk and argue about the actual teams/games. pretty damn funny. taken very seriously.

12-01-2015, 03:20 PM	#12
Evilgrin The Starter Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Bethesda, MD Posts: 1,074	Re: NFL Officiating The replay on every play is just so quick and so many angles, and the officials cant use it. We just see the bad calls more then ever before. __________________ Bruce Allen “We’re winning off the field,” Redskins #2 In Revenue Per Year!

12-01-2015, 03:51 PM	#13
Chico23231 Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 35,021	Re: NFL Officiating Ive noticed too (and I forget which network) when they bring in that ref consultant Mike Carey? that turd is always freaking wrong. I laugh and just want to yell Redskin in his face....Mike Carey asked off Washington Redskins games due to nickname eff that turd Why is Mike Carey so horribly bad at analyzing replay challenges on CBS? \| For The Win lol found something about him...nice

12-01-2015, 08:01 PM	#15
HailGreen28 Playmaker Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 3,754	Re: NFL Officiating The replacement officials were about the same. Maybe a little better. I think the "regular" officials would have made the same call in the GB SEA game, and technically it was the right call. The NFL is basically a money printing machine. HIRE FULL TIME OFFICIALS. Have them train in the offseason and during the week. Watching film and participating in pro and college practices.

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