Unit Analysis: Guards/Centers

Redskins8588 · 06-10-2005, 05:06 AM

June 17 issue of Sporting News...

"Redskins - New C Casey Rabach will help, but LG Derrick Dockery must improve." Grade: C

MTK · 06-10-2005, 07:36 AM

Is this an overall grade for our centers and guards?

Seems like we should be a bit higher with Thomas and Rabach. Dockery shouldn't take the grade down that much.

TheMalcolmConnection · 06-10-2005, 07:37 AM

Seriously. A C?! I would give him a B- alone and Rabach an A-/B+.

TheMalcolmConnection · 06-10-2005, 07:38 AM

I don't want to hear crap like that when they talk about how our "line will be the best in the division." I know this isn't counting Jansen and Samuels, but come on.

Redskins8588 · 06-10-2005, 07:46 AM

Later today I will try to post what they graded the rest of the teams in the NFL. But yeah Matty that is an overall grade on our Guards and Centers...

MTK · 06-10-2005, 08:47 AM

Nobody said we have the best line in the division, the ESPN article said we have the most talented. Big difference.

TheMalcolmConnection · 06-10-2005, 08:52 AM

Well an analysis is analyzing talent, and I think with our talent level we should be above C.

Oh well, something else to get disjointed about. I'm just pissy cause my girlfriend got me to drive down to Tech and "convinced" me to stay overnight with promises of hot love and then I realized this morning I had to get up at 5 to make it back to work in time.

No shower, 4 hours of sleep... Urgh.

Monksdown · 06-10-2005, 09:00 AM

Devil's Advocate:

Randy Thomas is clearly the better player of the three at this point. Last year was the first year that Rabach started an entire season. Somebody please show me an analysis from outside of the Redskins, Baltimore organizations on the upside and downside to this guy. He is versatile, he is young. He runs a 5.3 40 and came into the league weighing 298, now he weighs 305. He is intelligent, but not overpowering. He is not an automatic B+ or A-.

On a scale to 100. Taking into account all that I have been told, or have read:

Randy Thomas 89
Casey Rabach 79
Derrick Dockery 69-70

The middle of our line is nothing compared to our tackles.

Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor · 06-10-2005, 09:57 AM

i think dockery does bring down our o-line pretty much. what we should do is figure out og dan neil asking price is. he started the last 4 or 5 years for the broncos in their infamous zone blocking. he is not that old and was released because of the cap. he would be an incredible upgrade from the slow and stale derrick dockery. just think about first before you all shoot it down. we still have a lot of cuts to make, so im pretty much sure that their will be enough money for a league min. with escaladers in the contract to make it more.

TheMalcolmConnection · 06-10-2005, 09:58 AM

I DO like the idea that he previously blocked for Portis. If he would come cheap, I would say it couldn't hurt to have somd depth.

Ade Jimoh Fan Club · 06-10-2005, 10:21 AM

Geez, does Dockery really suck as much as everyone says he does? I know he wasn't a "pro bowl" guard in his first two season, but I didn't think he was aweful... Plus, he had a lot more responsibility with Jansen out and Raymer at Center. With Jansen back and a better center, he'll have less pressure on him to perform, not to mention will have a little more help blocking the DT's. I think he'll be a great cog in our O-Line. I'm really looking forward to seeing them work together (healthy) this year.

MTK · 06-10-2005, 10:32 AM

Dockery gets such a bad rap here it's ridiculous. We could do a helluva lot worse. He's still young and growing into his position. He was much improved last year over his rookie season, and under Bugel he should continue to develop. It's premature to start talking about his replacement.

NCSkinfan · 06-10-2005, 10:32 AM

After the snap Dockery isn't bad. What I don't like about him is the number of times I had to hear "False Start, Offense, #66" over the last 2 years

although last year was better, it still happened too often.

BrudLee · 06-10-2005, 10:34 AM

I've always thought the knock on Dockery was his penchant for false start penalties. He will have another year with Bugel barking at him, which should help quite a bit.

He shouldn't have footwork issues. He played a lot of tackle at Texas, so he should have the ability to pull as a guard. I think his problems have been primarily mental.

TheMalcolmConnection · 06-10-2005, 10:38 AM

I like Dockery too. I'm just saying someone who is proven in the league for depth (why not? we're doing it already at most positions).

06-10-2005, 05:06 AM	#1
Redskins8588 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ridgway, PA Age: 46 Posts: 2,519	Unit Analysis: Guards/Centers June 17 issue of Sporting News... "Redskins - New C Casey Rabach will help, but LG Derrick Dockery must improve." Grade: C __________________ "I am the best at what I do, and what I do isn't very nice" - Sean Taylor

06-10-2005, 07:36 AM	#2
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,831	Re: Unit Analysis: Guards/Centers Is this an overall grade for our centers and guards? Seems like we should be a bit higher with Thomas and Rabach. Dockery shouldn't take the grade down that much. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

06-10-2005, 07:37 AM	#3
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: Unit Analysis: Guards/Centers Seriously. A C?! I would give him a B- alone and Rabach an A-/B+. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

06-10-2005, 07:38 AM	#4
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: Unit Analysis: Guards/Centers I don't want to hear crap like that when they talk about how our "line will be the best in the division." I know this isn't counting Jansen and Samuels, but come on. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

06-10-2005, 07:46 AM	#5
Redskins8588 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ridgway, PA Age: 46 Posts: 2,519	Re: Unit Analysis: Guards/Centers Later today I will try to post what they graded the rest of the teams in the NFL. But yeah Matty that is an overall grade on our Guards and Centers... __________________ "I am the best at what I do, and what I do isn't very nice" - Sean Taylor

06-10-2005, 08:47 AM	#6
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,831	Re: Unit Analysis: Guards/Centers Nobody said we have the best line in the division, the ESPN article said we have the most talented. Big difference. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

06-10-2005, 08:52 AM	#7
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: Unit Analysis: Guards/Centers Well an analysis is analyzing talent, and I think with our talent level we should be above C. Oh well, something else to get disjointed about. I'm just pissy cause my girlfriend got me to drive down to Tech and "convinced" me to stay overnight with promises of hot love and then I realized this morning I had to get up at 5 to make it back to work in time. No shower, 4 hours of sleep... Urgh. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

06-10-2005, 09:00 AM	#8
Monksdown The Starter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Warrenton, Virginia Age: 45 Posts: 1,515	Re: Unit Analysis: Guards/Centers Devil's Advocate: Randy Thomas is clearly the better player of the three at this point. Last year was the first year that Rabach started an entire season. Somebody please show me an analysis from outside of the Redskins, Baltimore organizations on the upside and downside to this guy. He is versatile, he is young. He runs a 5.3 40 and came into the league weighing 298, now he weighs 305. He is intelligent, but not overpowering. He is not an automatic B+ or A-. On a scale to 100. Taking into account all that I have been told, or have read: Randy Thomas 89 Casey Rabach 79 Derrick Dockery 69-70 The middle of our line is nothing compared to our tackles.

06-10-2005, 09:57 AM	#9
Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Queens Village, NY Age: 45 Posts: 349	Re: Unit Analysis: Guards/Centers i think dockery does bring down our o-line pretty much. what we should do is figure out og dan neil asking price is. he started the last 4 or 5 years for the broncos in their infamous zone blocking. he is not that old and was released because of the cap. he would be an incredible upgrade from the slow and stale derrick dockery. just think about first before you all shoot it down. we still have a lot of cuts to make, so im pretty much sure that their will be enough money for a league min. with escaladers in the contract to make it more.

06-10-2005, 09:58 AM	#10
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: Unit Analysis: Guards/Centers I DO like the idea that he previously blocked for Portis. If he would come cheap, I would say it couldn't hurt to have somd depth. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

06-10-2005, 10:21 AM	#11
Ade Jimoh Fan Club Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 410	Re: Unit Analysis: Guards/Centers Geez, does Dockery really suck as much as everyone says he does? I know he wasn't a "pro bowl" guard in his first two season, but I didn't think he was aweful... Plus, he had a lot more responsibility with Jansen out and Raymer at Center. With Jansen back and a better center, he'll have less pressure on him to perform, not to mention will have a little more help blocking the DT's. I think he'll be a great cog in our O-Line. I'm really looking forward to seeing them work together (healthy) this year.

06-10-2005, 10:32 AM	#12
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,831	Re: Unit Analysis: Guards/Centers Dockery gets such a bad rap here it's ridiculous. We could do a helluva lot worse. He's still young and growing into his position. He was much improved last year over his rookie season, and under Bugel he should continue to develop. It's premature to start talking about his replacement. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

06-10-2005, 10:32 AM	#13
NCSkinfan Camp Scrub Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 11	Re: Unit Analysis: Guards/Centers After the snap Dockery isn't bad. What I don't like about him is the number of times I had to hear "False Start, Offense, #66" over the last 2 years although last year was better, it still happened too often.

06-10-2005, 10:34 AM	#14
BrudLee Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Rehoboth Beach, DE Posts: 3,494	Re: Unit Analysis: Guards/Centers I've always thought the knock on Dockery was his penchant for false start penalties. He will have another year with Bugel barking at him, which should help quite a bit. He shouldn't have footwork issues. He played a lot of tackle at Texas, so he should have the ability to pull as a guard. I think his problems have been primarily mental. __________________ There's nowhere to go but up. Or down. I guess we could stay where we are, too.

06-10-2005, 10:38 AM	#15
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,264	Re: Unit Analysis: Guards/Centers I like Dockery too. I'm just saying someone who is proven in the league for depth (why not? we're doing it already at most positions). __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

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