Marshall vs. Pierce

12thMan · 10-03-2005, 12:32 PM

In the spirit of healthy discussion and being bored while I'm off today, I wanted to re-visit (as it's been talked about many times already) Lemar Marshall's play so far this year. And if what some perceive to be a slight drop-off with our defense year has anything to do with Pierce's absence?

I could only point out one play from yesterday that Marshall had a clear shot at Alexander and he missed and Alaxander went on to get a nice gain. Other than that, I think he's been solid, very solid in pass coverage, including the int against Chicago in week 1. Of course this kind of debate is, IMO, only conjecture because Pierce isn't here to really measure how well they both compare in the same defense at the same time.

hurrykaine · 10-03-2005, 12:42 PM

I think Pierce is a better player, and was more adept at communicating defensive plays. Marshall hasn't done a bad job though, and will get better as the season progresses. His miss on Alexander yesterday was a bad miss, though.

MTK · 10-03-2005, 12:43 PM

Marshall has done a great job so far, and when you compare what we're saving against the cap with Marshall vs. Pierce, I'd say it was a pretty good tradeoff.

Redskins_P · 10-03-2005, 12:44 PM

I honestly don't think its that much of a dropoff. Marshall has impressed me thus far, and is it just me or is he faster than Pierce? Pierce is probably more of a complete player, but Marshall is doing a good enough job, IMO.

12thMan · 10-03-2005, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Redskins_P

I honestly don't think its that much of a dropoff. Marshall has impressed me thus far, and is it just me or is he faster than Pierce? Pierce is probably more of a complete player, but Marshall is doing a good enough job, IMO.

Marshall is faster, IMO, and I think he can stay with backs and TE downfield a little better too. But Pierce was tough as hell. Funny thing though, against the Chargers he missed a couple of sure tackles. Shocked me a bit.

gortiz · 10-03-2005, 01:06 PM

the Giants are giving up 25 points a game, I know pierce is only one player, but they didn't bring in there for the defense to give up 25 points a game ...

12thMan · 10-03-2005, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by gortiz

the Giants are giving up 25 points a game, I know pierce is only one player, but they didn't bring in there for the defense to give up 25 points a game ...

especially with that huge price tag. all things considered - money, talent, and experience with the system- the skins probably made a good move by letting him go.

Hog1 · 10-03-2005, 01:24 PM

I personally have been VERY pleasantly surprised at the "lack" of signifigant loss having Pierce depart. I read in another post that Pierce was more a product of GW's system, than a self made star. I would agree

FRPLG · 10-03-2005, 01:28 PM

I think Pierce is the superior player but as Matty said the tradeoff in cap money was not worth it for Pierce. Marshall is getting the job done it seems. I want to give him some time before I make a finald ecison on whether he can handle the job long term for the skinnies.

MTK · 10-03-2005, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

Marshall is faster, IMO, and I think he can stay with backs and TE downfield a little better too. But Pierce was tough as hell. Funny thing though, against the Chargers he missed a couple of sure tackles. Shocked me a bit.

Yeah but consider who he missed those tackles against... Tomlinson is great at making the first guy miss. He has some real ankle breaking moves.

Sociofan · 10-03-2005, 01:53 PM

Through the first 3 weeks for each:

Antonio Pierce had 19 Tackles, 0.5 Sacks for 5 yards and 3 defended passes

Lemar Marshall had 16 Tackles, 1 Sack for 7 yards and 1 defended pass

Admittedly, stat-wise, Pierce had a big game yesterday against SD (7 Tackles a Pick and 4 defended passes), but Lemar is holding his own.

Schneed10 · 10-03-2005, 02:03 PM

The bottom line: the Redskins were ranked in the top 5 in total defense all of last year. They still are this year.

Moving from Pierce to Marshall hasn't been a problem at all. And we're not missing Arrington or Smoot either. Gregg Williams is bar none the best defensive coordinator in the NFL.

steveo395 · 10-03-2005, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sociofan

Through the first 3 weeks for each:

Antonio Pierce had 19 Tackles, 0.5 Sacks for 5 yards and 3 defended passes

Lemar Marshall had 16 Tackles, 1 Sack for 7 yards and 1 defended pass

Admittedly, stat-wise, Pierce had a big game yesterday against SD (7 Tackles a Pick and 4 defended passes), but Lemar is holding his own.

and marshall has an interception

Daseal · 10-03-2005, 05:15 PM

For the price it was worth letting him go. While Pierce is better, just like Matty said weigh what other options we can put around him with the saved cash. I was never as worried about Pierce as I was with Smoot.

SmootSmack · 10-03-2005, 05:20 PM

Marshall would be playing better if Ramsey was starting at QB

Seriously though, he seems to be doing pretty well on the field and gradually getting more comfortable and making plays. What I haven't seen yet, and maybe it's just because I haven't paying close enough to attention, is how he does directing the defense in between plays. Last year, Pierce was great at that

10-03-2005, 12:32 PM	#1
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Marshall vs. Pierce In the spirit of healthy discussion and being bored while I'm off today, I wanted to re-visit (as it's been talked about many times already) Lemar Marshall's play so far this year. And if what some perceive to be a slight drop-off with our defense year has anything to do with Pierce's absence? I could only point out one play from yesterday that Marshall had a clear shot at Alexander and he missed and Alaxander went on to get a nice gain. Other than that, I think he's been solid, very solid in pass coverage, including the int against Chicago in week 1. Of course this kind of debate is, IMO, only conjecture because Pierce isn't here to really measure how well they both compare in the same defense at the same time.

10-03-2005, 12:42 PM	#2
hurrykaine Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Washington, D.C. Age: 52 Posts: 762	Re: Marshall vs. Pierce I think Pierce is a better player, and was more adept at communicating defensive plays. Marshall hasn't done a bad job though, and will get better as the season progresses. His miss on Alexander yesterday was a bad miss, though.

10-03-2005, 12:43 PM	#3
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,831	Re: Marshall vs. Pierce Marshall has done a great job so far, and when you compare what we're saving against the cap with Marshall vs. Pierce, I'd say it was a pretty good tradeoff. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

10-03-2005, 12:44 PM	#4
Redskins_P Fight for old DC! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Aldie, VA Age: 47 Posts: 4,101	Re: Marshall vs. Pierce I honestly don't think its that much of a dropoff. Marshall has impressed me thus far, and is it just me or is he faster than Pierce? Pierce is probably more of a complete player, but Marshall is doing a good enough job, IMO.

10-03-2005, 01:06 PM	#6
gortiz Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 498	Re: Marshall vs. Pierce the Giants are giving up 25 points a game, I know pierce is only one player, but they didn't bring in there for the defense to give up 25 points a game ... __________________ "If people are underestimating us," Jansen said, "there will be a rude awakening this year."

10-03-2005, 01:24 PM	#8
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 10,675	Re: Marshall vs. Pierce I personally have been VERY pleasantly surprised at the "lack" of signifigant loss having Pierce depart. I read in another post that Pierce was more a product of GW's system, than a self made star. I would agree __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... *“God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.” – Joe Gibbs*

10-03-2005, 01:28 PM	#9
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: Marshall vs. Pierce I think Pierce is the superior player but as Matty said the tradeoff in cap money was not worth it for Pierce. Marshall is getting the job done it seems. I want to give him some time before I make a finald ecison on whether he can handle the job long term for the skinnies.

10-03-2005, 01:53 PM	#11
Sociofan Special Teams Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Gainesville, VA Age: 60 Posts: 380	Re: Marshall vs. Pierce Through the first 3 weeks for each: Antonio Pierce had 19 Tackles, 0.5 Sacks for 5 yards and 3 defended passes Lemar Marshall had 16 Tackles, 1 Sack for 7 yards and 1 defended pass Admittedly, stat-wise, Pierce had a big game yesterday against SD (7 Tackles a Pick and 4 defended passes), but Lemar is holding his own.

10-03-2005, 02:03 PM	#12
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 46 Posts: 12,458	Re: Marshall vs. Pierce The bottom line: the Redskins were ranked in the top 5 in total defense all of last year. They still are this year. Moving from Pierce to Marshall hasn't been a problem at all. And we're not missing Arrington or Smoot either. Gregg Williams is bar none the best defensive coordinator in the NFL.

10-03-2005, 05:15 PM	#14
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	Re: Marshall vs. Pierce For the price it was worth letting him go. While Pierce is better, just like Matty said weigh what other options we can put around him with the saved cash. I was never as worried about Pierce as I was with Smoot. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

10-03-2005, 05:20 PM	#15
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Marshall vs. Pierce Marshall would be playing better if Ramsey was starting at QB Seriously though, he seems to be doing pretty well on the field and gradually getting more comfortable and making plays. What I haven't seen yet, and maybe it's just because I haven't paying close enough to attention, is how he does directing the defense in between plays. Last year, Pierce was great at that __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

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