Skins sign Barrow

skins93 · 04-22-2004, 05:31 PM

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/7275138

SmootSmack · 04-22-2004, 05:38 PM

I guess this is good news, but man what does Kevin Mitchell have to do to get a shot

Jamaican'Skin · 04-22-2004, 05:39 PM

I don't know, maybe it'll be a competition for MLB.

offiss · 04-22-2004, 05:40 PM

I really like this pickup, I felt all along that Barrow was a perfect fit with us, talent wise and attitude, he's a play maker, and I think he still has a couple of year's left in the tank.

JoeRedskin · 04-22-2004, 05:50 PM

He may have a couple of years left in the tank, but I am curious about the cost. The article said 8 mill in the first three years. Any hit has got to be backloaded to 2007. I would really like to see the contract. I guess I worry that the Skins cap managers seem to have "What me worry?" approach. I know we havent gotten bitten in the ass yet, and maybe we won't. But doesn't it sound like we overpaid for him? Especially since he will be 37 by the third year of his contract.

Don't get me wrong, I think he is a good enough 'backer but just not sure about the price.

SKINSnCANES · 04-22-2004, 06:27 PM

hes a Cane, he'll do great for us

Our linebackingn core is definitly very good right now. No weaknesses. That will help out our front four a lot. Mabye one more pick up on the dline and our fifth draft choice, I think we should be set next year.

skinsfanthru&thru · 04-22-2004, 07:01 PM

it's a million or 2 a year atleast less than trotter isn't it? and barrow actually has some coverage skills. plus if he's a decently priced upgrade over a slow lb like mitchell in a system requiring lbs with some degree of speed, how can this be bad? anyone know how much we could save if we release mitchell cuz i'd rather be working in a young backup who could replace barrow when he retires?

hi-jinx · 04-22-2004, 07:14 PM

So you thik we can get Trotter into a trade or are we going to get stuck dropping him on June 1st and taking the Cap hit?

SKINSnCANES · 04-22-2004, 07:16 PM

I hope we can use him in a package to get some picks on satruday. It will have to be as a package, teams know he will be cut now, expecially since we have Barrow.

JWsleep · 04-22-2004, 07:22 PM

I think we needed a MLB, and I just don't think Mitchell can hold up all year long. I hope the contract is not too nasty, but given that we still need work on the D line, we couldn't let the MLB be a really weak link. It's a good pickup.

JoeRedskin · 04-22-2004, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hi-jinx

So you thik we can get Trotter into a trade or are we going to get stuck dropping him on June 1st and taking the Cap hit?

Cutting or trading him, we get the cap hit. Actually,a post June 1 cut spreads the hit over this year and '05

PSUskinsfan11 · 04-22-2004, 08:57 PM

Let's run a 3-4 with L.A. Barrow Mitchell Washington as backers and then wynn/daniels move griffin to d-end, trade the 2nd round pick next year and trotter to the texans or jags and take Wilfork with that pick and but him in the middle and get taylor with our pick. Our D will be half Hurricanes but its cool cause we might have the best D in the league. Just a thought.....

joecrisp · 04-22-2004, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skinsfanthru&thru

anyone know how much we could save if we release mitchell cuz i'd rather be working in a young backup who could replace barrow when he retires?

Mitchell was signed to a 1-year vet minimum contract ($760,000 salary, $25,000 bonus) this offseason, so releasing him would produce $735,000 in cap room. I don't think he'll be a cap cut option. They'll let him play this year, keeping him for quality depth, and unleash the young fellas next year. I don't think they're ready to part with both Trotter AND Mitchell, leaving Clifton Smith as the lone legit MLB option behind Barrow.

sportscurmudgeon · 04-22-2004, 09:30 PM

From what I hear, the Skins are trying VERY hard to use Trotter in a deal that gets a pick this year. Not a lot of interest yet.

I know that this will not make "smootsmack" happy, but once again, Fred Smoot is a commodity that other teams are interested in and the Skins are willing to listen to offers for him. I suspect that they would want a bigger price for Smoot than anyone will offer, but they have not taken his name off the table categorically. I heard that the Skins were offered a "late 1st round pick" this year for Smoot. That would give the Skins the #5 pick and a pick somewhere between 20 and 32 this year. Frankly, I would not make the deal.

People here have speculated about what Rod Gardner might bring in a trade. I heard that one team was offered the "opportunity" to trade for Gardner and their offer was a "conditional 6th round pick in 2005" meaning that if Gardner did not meet certain milestones in 04, the Skins would get a 7th rounder and not a 6th rounder. His name came off the table quickly.

Someone wondered what Mitchell had to do to get a shot. I think he needs to get about one or two steps faster. That's not easy to do...

IMHO of course...

SmootSmack · 04-22-2004, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

I know that this will not make "smootsmack" happy, but once again, Fred Smoot is a commodity that other teams are interested in and the Skins are willing to listen to offers for him.

Be gone with your vile lies and rumors!...yeah I'm aware that Smoot is a sought after commodity. It would suck to lose him but I suppose I should be glad that my favorite player is good enough to draw interest from other teams...Ade Jimoh Fan Club I'm looking in your direction

04-22-2004, 05:31 PM	#1
skins93 Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Philadelphia, PA Age: 54 Posts: 14	Skins sign Barrow http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/7275138

04-22-2004, 05:38 PM	#2
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	I guess this is good news, but man what does Kevin Mitchell have to do to get a shot __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

04-22-2004, 06:27 PM	#6
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 42 Posts: 5,453	hes a Cane, he'll do great for us Our linebackingn core is definitly very good right now. No weaknesses. That will help out our front four a lot. Mabye one more pick up on the dline and our fifth draft choice, I think we should be set next year. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

04-22-2004, 07:16 PM	#9
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 42 Posts: 5,453	I hope we can use him in a package to get some picks on satruday. It will have to be as a package, teams know he will be cut now, expecially since we have Barrow. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

04-22-2004, 07:22 PM	#10
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 55 Posts: 4,702	I think we needed a MLB, and I just don't think Mitchell can hold up all year long. I hope the contract is not too nasty, but given that we still need work on the D line, we couldn't let the MLB be a really weak link. It's a good pickup. __________________ Hail from Houston!

04-22-2004, 05:39 PM	#3
Jamaican'Skin The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kingston, Jamaica Age: 37 Posts: 2,418	I don't know, maybe it'll be a competition for MLB.

04-22-2004, 05:40 PM	#4
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 59 Posts: 3,097	I really like this pickup, I felt all along that Barrow was a perfect fit with us, talent wise and attitude, he's a play maker, and I think he still has a couple of year's left in the tank.

04-22-2004, 05:50 PM	#5
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 61 Posts: 10,401	He may have a couple of years left in the tank, but I am curious about the cost. The article said 8 mill in the first three years. Any hit has got to be backloaded to 2007. I would really like to see the contract. I guess I worry that the Skins cap managers seem to have "What me worry?" approach. I know we havent gotten bitten in the ass yet, and maybe we won't. But doesn't it sound like we overpaid for him? Especially since he will be 37 by the third year of his contract. Don't get me wrong, I think he is a good enough 'backer but just not sure about the price. Last edited by JoeRedskin; 04-22-2004 at 05:55 PM.

04-22-2004, 07:01 PM	#7
skinsfanthru&thru Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 43 Posts: 3,812	it's a million or 2 a year atleast less than trotter isn't it? and barrow actually has some coverage skills. plus if he's a decently priced upgrade over a slow lb like mitchell in a system requiring lbs with some degree of speed, how can this be bad? anyone know how much we could save if we release mitchell cuz i'd rather be working in a young backup who could replace barrow when he retires?

04-22-2004, 07:14 PM	#8
hi-jinx Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Memphis Age: 48 Posts: 180	So you thik we can get Trotter into a trade or are we going to get stuck dropping him on June 1st and taking the Cap hit?

04-22-2004, 08:57 PM	#12
PSUskinsfan11 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: the port, PA Age: 39 Posts: 692	Let's run a 3-4 with L.A. Barrow Mitchell Washington as backers and then wynn/daniels move griffin to d-end, trade the 2nd round pick next year and trotter to the texans or jags and take Wilfork with that pick and but him in the middle and get taylor with our pick. Our D will be half Hurricanes but its cool cause we might have the best D in the league. Just a thought.....

04-22-2004, 09:30 PM	#14
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	From what I hear, the Skins are trying VERY hard to use Trotter in a deal that gets a pick this year. Not a lot of interest yet. I know that this will not make "smootsmack" happy, but once again, Fred Smoot is a commodity that other teams are interested in and the Skins are willing to listen to offers for him. I suspect that they would want a bigger price for Smoot than anyone will offer, but they have not taken his name off the table categorically. I heard that the Skins were offered a "late 1st round pick" this year for Smoot. That would give the Skins the #5 pick and a pick somewhere between 20 and 32 this year. Frankly, I would not make the deal. People here have speculated about what Rod Gardner might bring in a trade. I heard that one team was offered the "opportunity" to trade for Gardner and their offer was a "conditional 6th round pick in 2005" meaning that if Gardner did not meet certain milestones in 04, the Skins would get a 7th rounder and not a 6th rounder. His name came off the table quickly. Someone wondered what Mitchell had to do to get a shot. I think he needs to get about one or two steps faster. That's not easy to do... IMHO of course...

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