PFT rumor: TITANS TO PURSUE TAMPERING CHARGES AGAINST REDSKINS?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Buster

No reason to read any further, that site is a joke...it's the National Enquirer of football news.

Agreed. Any website with a section called "turd watch" can only be taken so seriously. To be honest I only check them out after I've exhausted all the headlines from SI, ESPN, and NFL.com. I'm surprised how much they're into being a watchdog while they frequently report stories that seem to have little to no substance to them. For goodness sakes according to them last year we had contracts for Drayton Florence and DJ Hacket lined up before free agency started.

Of course I will admit the whole situation does seem shakey and my gut tells me the Redskins technically did tamper.

[SBXVII]

Of course I will admit the whole situation does seem shakey and my gut tells me the Redskins technically did tamper.

Yea, but unfortunatly "gut" feelings don't matter in a court of law. My gut told me O.J. killed his wife but the evidence didn't hold water. lol.

[GMScud]

Of course we tampered. Anyone who thinks Haynesworth wasn't the topic of discussion at Snyder's dinner with his agent is just flat out dumb. Not to mention all the discussions that take place at the combine. That place is Tamperville, USA. It's whether or not the accusing team has any proof that's worth a damn. Snyder has made waaaay to many big name FA acquisitions in the past to be dumb enough to get caught tampering.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Whether they pursue it or not, what are they going to do to us, make us LESS draft oriented?! LOL

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Of course we tampered. Anyone who thinks Haynesworth wasn't the topic of discussion at Snyder's dinner with his agent is just flat out dumb. Not to mention all the discussions that take place at the combine. That place is Tamperville, USA. It's whether or not the accusing team has any proof that's worth a damn. Snyder has made waaaay to many big name FA acquisitions in the past to be dumb enough to get caught tampering.

Yes we get it. and you are correct that they will have to have some form of proof. So they file a complaint with the Commish. He will have to look into it. How do you suppose he does that? He will contact the agent and ask what was the topic a the dinner. Then he will contact Snyder and ask what was the topic at dinner? If the stories are pretty close and don't involve Haynesworth, guess what......nothings going to happen. Unless the Titans had a tape recorder under the table, or had a boom mike on the table from outside the resturuant, or the agent or Snyder said yes we talked about Haynesworth, or the team had someone sitting relatively close to the table to hear/tape the whole conversation then they got Zilch. Nadda. One big waste of time. All it will accomplish is creating a rift between two owners which may be no big deal unless one has some rule he wants passed and needs the others vote.

The team is just pissed cause they lost their anchor to their defense. Now they have to go out and find another probably through the draft. They built the defense around him and now they have lost their center piece. cry, cry, sniff, sniff, pout, pout..."were going to complain cause someone offered more money then us. Even though we are not in CAP hell."

I mean why complain? They gave a fair market value to him. He wanted out. If he didn't want out he wouldn't have tested the market. He would have said ok I'll sign cause I love this city. Instead he decided to test the market. The Skins offered more. Why argue and fight over someone who does not want to be with you any more? or is it their being greedy and wanting another 1st round draft pick so to complain hopefully the Commish will say "Even though there's no proof I totally believe the Skins Tampered so we will award the Titans the Skins 1st rounder." I don't see that happening.

Go file your complaint Titans. Make yourself look like asses. Make history.

[over the mountain]

idk man. to me i think we look like the asses. yeah i know its hard to prove and most everyone does it but . . . i do believe there is some kind of gentlemen's agreement among owners/GMs and you dont see other owners getting their names in articles talking about dinners with agents before FA began.

snyder is probaly the most unliked owner when he goes to the owner meetings and ive read that they are going to address the tampering issue when they meet. im sure all eyes wil be turning to DS.

DS knows no ethics, he is quite the ass as a business person from everything ive read about him. its a shame our franchise has to be hog-tied to his way of doing things. maybe im oldschool but i like doing things the right way even if others are doing it otherwise.

go skins!!

[MTK]

Yawn. Who cares.

Good luck to the Titans trying to prove it.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Whether they pursue it or not, what are they going to do to us, make us LESS draft oriented?! LOL

If they wanted to penalize us they would give us more picks with the stipulation that Vinny had to make the pick without discussing it with anyone else! That alone could set us back more than taking picks away from us!

[over the mountain]

well i do care about how DS way of doing business reflects poorly on us as a franchise. you dont. i get it.

[SBXVII]

Does any of it really matter? If Haynesworth wanted to stay in Tenn. he would have. He either would have signed an agreement prior to FA or looked at what he could have made and asked Tenn. to try and match it. I know some of you are the rules type of person. Rules, rules, rules. Yes. but take a moment and think about it. Would it have mattered whether we met the previous week or spoke with his agent at 12:01am? We were committed to making a better offer then Tenn. We were committed to signing Haynesworth...aparently Tenn. was not or they would have came back with a bid higher then ours. Yes that creates a bidding war but DS was ready to out bid and aparently Haynesworth had no hard feelings about saying bye otherwise he would have stayed where he was.

[44ever]

Everyone knows including the commish. That if Mr. Snyder wanted him. Nobody would have been able to out bid him. (period) No cap is gonna be fun with Snyder

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

well i do care about how DS way of doing business reflects poorly on us as a franchise. you dont. i get it.

Come on, we aren't talking Al Davis, or Detroit FO type moves. Every one of the owners is a businessman first, and they understand what DS is doing. If it was egregious Tennessee would be screaming, but they aren't. The article that started this was the equivalent to a JLC/Sally Jenkins article- well written, but basically without any substance. And remember the audience it was written too, a tennessee fan base still frustrated that they did not re-sign AH. No way the other owners are thinking less of DS or the Redskins due to this signing. (or atleast the "tampering" aspect of it, they may be aggravated at the overall contract as it is written)

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Yes we get it. and you are correct that they will have to have some form of proof. So they file a complaint with the Commish. He will have to look into it. How do you suppose he does that? He will contact the agent and ask what was the topic a the dinner. Then he will contact Snyder and ask what was the topic at dinner? If the stories are pretty close and don't involve Haynesworth, guess what......nothings going to happen. Unless the Titans had a tape recorder under the table, or had a boom mike on the table from outside the resturuant, or the agent or Snyder said yes we talked about Haynesworth, or the team had someone sitting relatively close to the table to hear/tape the whole conversation then they got Zilch. Nadda. One big waste of time. All it will accomplish is creating a rift between two owners which may be no big deal unless one has some rule he wants passed and needs the others vote.

The team is just pissed cause they lost their anchor to their defense. Now they have to go out and find another probably through the draft. They built the defense around him and now they have lost their center piece. cry, cry, sniff, sniff, pout, pout..."were going to complain cause someone offered more money then us. Even though we are not in CAP hell."

I mean why complain? They gave a fair market value to him. He wanted out. If he didn't want out he wouldn't have tested the market. He would have said ok I'll sign cause I love this city. Instead he decided to test the market. The Skins offered more. Why argue and fight over someone who does not want to be with you any more? or is it their being greedy and wanting another 1st round draft pick so to complain hopefully the Commish will say "Even though there's no proof I totally believe the Skins Tampered so we will award the Titans the Skins 1st rounder." I don't see that happening.

Go file your complaint Titans. Make yourself look like asses. Make history.

You are correct that the dinner conversation alone will result in nothing. The Combine conversations likely are moot as well.

However, if VC or DS called Haynesworth before the opening bell of free agency, phone records will show this and things could get ugly.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Lotus

You are correct that the dinner conversation alone will result in nothing. The Combine conversations likely are moot as well.

However, if VC or DS called Haynesworth before the opening bell of free agency, phone records will show this and things could get ugly.

But as far as I have heard no one is even alleging this. (Remember that the opening bell is 12:01 ET, or 11:01pm in Tennessee.) Do you have a story or link that says they did?

[SkinzzFan]

Seems to me you can talk, tamper, fidget, swindle, persuade, wine and dine all you want and it won't matter. The only words that matter (no matter WHEN they are said) are the number of years, total salary, signing bonus, etc. I don't care how much you talk prior to being able to sign someone...the agents will find the deal that best fits the player. Whether it's a guy looking to get paid or a guy looking for his best chance at a Championship. Albert Haynesworth had a list of terms and contract criteria that his agent had to work with when finding a new deal. The bottom line is whoever gave them that deal was getting his services. The rest of this is sour grapes on the part of the Titans. They had plenty of opportunity PRIOR to the opening of free agency to negotiate a deal where they could have kept him off the market. Dan Snyder made it work (with salary cap magic) and the Titans could have as well.

Thank you and have a nice day!

HAIL!!