Darrell Green does not support Redskin name change

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by punch it in

So unless they put up with racial slurs (if you feel Redskins to be one is another story), they cannot capitalize on gambling like white americans do?

but im offended by gambling

[SirLK26]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I do not think the logo is what this group finds offensive. I know the colors have nothing to do with it either. Imagine as a white person or a black person or an asian person....a team with a face from your origin....George Washington looking dude or MLK as the emblem - no problem. The nickname however is the "honkeys" or the "n&@ers"? - problem. Obviously those slang references are alot more volatile because of modern day society and racism for the most part has drawn away from the native americans and what happened to them hundreds of years ago. This particular group and handfuls of others consider redskins a slang term. Again - what if it was the palefaces or yellowskins or darkskins? I guess the real crux of the matter is how do you feel about those names? If they offend you as a white, black, or asian person than How do you justify Redskins?

Perhaps your example names are different and not as "offensive" as the name Redskins, but if there were a team with the name "Palefaces" or "Yellowskins", I wouldn't give a rat's a**. It wouldn't offend me in the least.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by punch it in

So unless they put up with racial slurs (if you feel Redskins to be one is another story), they cannot capitalize on gambling like white americans do?

Are you assuming I'm not offended also by white Americans owning casinos? If so, that's a pretty racist and ridiculous thing to say.

I'm saying I think it's a contradiction to championing this Redskins thing - which is questionable at best all the while continuing to make fortunes from those with gambling addictions.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

Perhaps your example names are different and not as "offensive" as the name Redskins, but if there were a team with the name "Palefaces" or "Yellowskins", I wouldn't give a rat's a**. It wouldn't offend me in the least.

Im just putting it out there - not saying im offended either. An asian person might be offended by a team called the yellowskins with a picture of an asian person on the helmet was my point. As for palefaces, well i just wanted to say palefaces.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Are you assuming I'm not offended also by white Americans owning casinos? If so, that's a pretty racist and ridiculous thing to say.

I'm saying I think it's a contradiction to championing this Redskins thing - which is questionable at best all the while continuing to make fortunes from those with gambling addictions.

Not assuming that at all but you did clearly state that "they" should shutdown "their" casinos. If you are making the point that there are greater problems in the world well than me and you are on the exact same page. Did not mean to insinuate anything.

[DynamiteRave]

Didn't someone say Redskins wasn't about Indians actual skin color, but the red war paint they used? I dunno. I just don't see Redskins as derogatory and I'm a minority.

Although... I did find Redskin in the racial slur database...

The Racial Slur Database

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Didn't someone say Redskins wasn't about Indians actual skin color, but the red war paint they used? I dunno. I just don't see Redskins as derogatory and I'm a minority.

Although... I did find Redskin in the racial slur database...

The Racial Slur Database

It is definitely about skin color.....

[Hog1]

“There are so many more issues that are important for the tribe than to waste time on what a team is called. We’re worried about real things, and I don’t consider that a real thing.”

G. Anne Richardson

Chief of Virginia’s Rappahannock Tribe
This sort of realistic and rational thought has no place in a PC discussion whipped up by the ACLU.........

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Hog1

“There are so many more issues that are important for the tribe than to waste time on what a team is called. We’re worried about real things, and I don’t consider that a real thing.”

G. Anne Richardson

Chief of Virginia’s Rappahannock Tribe
This sort of realistic and rational thought has no place in a PC discussion whipped up by the ACLU.........

I would kinda take it more seriously if it was more than just the Oneida tribe complaining but it seems the vast majority of other tribes seem to have bigger fish to fry.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Not assuming that at all but you did clearly state that "they" should shutdown "their" casinos. If you are making the point that there are greater problems in the world well than me and you are on the exact same page. Did not mean to insinuate anything.

I said that (the shutting the casinos thing) in jest. If we're talking about shutting out and shutting down anything and everything that can be offensive then then this tribe should take a long hard look at themselves. It is proven fact that gambling has ruined families and cost lives. It's not a proven fact that the term Redskin is a racial slur. Some believe it is and some believe it is not. It's origin does not point to the use in a derogatory manner and there is documentation To back that up. When the Native. Americans themselves are not in agreement about it being a racial slur then I call BS on the whole thing. It is all a money grab by the Oneita Tribe and you guys will discover this when it's all said and done.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I said that (the shutting the casinos thing) in jest. If we're talking about shutting out and shutting down anything and everything that can be offensive then then this tribe should take a long hard look at themselves. It is proven fact that gambling has ruined families and cost lives. It's not a proven fact that the term Redskin is a racial slur. Some believe it is and some believe it is not. It's origin does not point to the use in a derogatory manner and there is documentation To back that up. When the Native. Americans themselves are not in agreement about it being a racial slur then I call BS on the whole thing. It is all a money grab by the Oneita Tribe and you guys will discover this when it's all said and done.

Just for the record i was posing a question. I personally am not in favor of a name change. A: because its my team. B: because its a non issue imo.
That all being said if you do some research on the name it really does have racist roots. So I am just pondering the validity of any real concerns anybody ( native am. Or not) might have about it.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Just for the record i was posing a question. I personally am not in favor of a name change. A: because its my team. B: because its a non issue imo.
That all being said if you do some research on the name it really does have racist roots. So I am just pondering the validity of any real concerns anybody ( native am. Or not) might have about it.

I have done research on the name and no it doesn't have racist roots. That doesn't mean that somewhere along the way someone decided that it could be used in a derogatory manner but to say its roots or origin is born out of racism is severely incorrect.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Im just putting it out there - not saying im offended either. An asian person might be offended by a team called the yellowskins with a picture of an asian person on the helmet was my point. As for palefaces, well i just wanted to say palefaces.

I wish people would stop trying to find equivalents, because there are none:

1) Yellowskins is not a word that Asians created to describe themselves
2) There are exactly zero High Schools with a significant Asian enrollment that call themselves the Yellowskins. There are zero High Schools, period.
3) A professional sports team called the Yellowskins would not have an Asian face as a logo that was provided to the team by prominent members of the Asian American community.
4) a team called the Yellowskins would not have survived 80 plus years to become one of the most valuable sports franchises in the world.
5) a significant number of Asian Americans would NOT defend the use of the name.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I have done research on the name and no it doesn't have racist roots. That doesn't mean that somewhere along the way someone decided that it could be used in a derogatory manner but to say its roots or origin is born out of racism is severely incorrect.

Exactly. You could offend an American Indian by calling them Red Devil, so should the NJ hockey team be forced to change their name? You can offend an Asian by calling them Mellow Yellow. Should the soft drink be banned? You can call an African American woman Aunt Jemima, a white guy Wonder Bread, etc. etc. Just because a word can be used in an offensive manner doesn't mean it's a racial slur in any and all contexts.

As a first generation American who's family came from Peru, I'm offended when all Hispanics are called Mexican, but I don't find the word Mexican offensive when used to describe people actually from Mexico.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by saden1

I have changed my view on this whole name change thing from being against it to being for it. If native Americans find the name offensive who am I to tell them they shouldn't be offended?

The name needs to change, it will change. I am hopeful the logo and colors stay the same.

What if some did and some didn't? There are high schools across the country with significant Native American enrollment fighting tooth and nail to keep the name Redskin. What other so called racial slur would be defended like this by the people who are supposed to be offended?