Do You Unequivocally Believe RG3 Is Our Franchise QB?

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Green Monk Machine

We have discussed, debated, and argued over Dobert this year.
With all the perspectives involved, what is really the best for the team, fans, and future?
To me, it's embracing the nfl. Either accept it for what it is, or suffer and be left out 4 weeks into and 4 weeks before the regular season ends.

The way the conversation has continued, it seems many of you have accepted read option and want to see more of that. The endless problems I see with the read option begin with mind numbing blatant issues.....

The NFL is an evolving game that brings about new wrinkles in the offense and defense with each passing decade. Knowing this, you might want to go back and rethink your post. Secondly, Griffin was not hurt on a read-option play against Baltimore. He was hurt simply trying to scramble.

I basically want to see more of whatever is successful. If it's smash mouth football, I want to see more of that. If it's the read option, bring it on. If it's bombs away - as long as the freakin' wide receiver catches the ball. You guys argue way too much about things you have no control over.

[MTK]

It's mind numbing that some continue to focus in on the read option like it's the entire offense, when it reality it's a just play we might run a handful of times per game.

I like what Chip Kelly recently said about it:

Cardinals coach Bruce Arians recently called the read-option offense a “great college offense.” Eagles coach Chip Kelly doesn’t see that as a slap at his approach, because Kelly doesn’t think he runs the read-option offense.

“I don’t think it’s an offense,” Kelly told reporters on Thursday. “I think it’s a play. And we don’t run read option if you want to get really technical. We run a zone read play every once in awhile. It’s like saying our offense is a power offense because we run the power play. Or the old Green Bay Packers, their offense was the Green Bay sweep offense and it isn’t. Everybody’s got a bunch of plays they run offensively, whether everybody’s got a quick game, everybody’s got screen, everybody’s got drop back, everybody’s got out‑of‑pocket, power, counter, inside zone. I never looked at it as an offense.”

Chip Kelly dubs his attack the “See Coast Offense” | ProFootballTalk

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

It's mind numbing that some continue to focus in on the read option like it's the entire offense, when it reality it's a just play we might run a handful of times per game.

I like what Chip Kelly recently said about it:

Cardinals coach Bruce Arians recently called the read-option offense a “great college offense.” Eagles coach Chip Kelly doesn’t see that as a slap at his approach, because Kelly doesn’t think he runs the read-option offense.

“I don’t think it’s an offense,” Kelly told reporters on Thursday. “I think it’s a play. And we don’t run read option if you want to get really technical. We run a zone read play every once in awhile. It’s like saying our offense is a power offense because we run the power play. Or the old Green Bay Packers, their offense was the Green Bay sweep offense and it isn’t. Everybody’s got a bunch of plays they run offensively, whether everybody’s got a quick game, everybody’s got screen, everybody’s got drop back, everybody’s got out‑of‑pocket, power, counter, inside zone. I never looked at it as an offense.”

Chip Kelly dubs his attack the “See Coast Offense” | ProFootballTalk

Yea a play that I believe was ran 12% of the time somehow defined an entire offense.

People make it sound like the Skins are Auburn or Georgia Tech.

[MTK]

And lining up receivers or tight ends in the backfield is a problem? I saw Jimmy Graham lining up in New Orleans' backfield the other night.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

And lining up receivers or tight ends in the backfield is a problem? I saw Jimmy Graham lining up in New Orleans' backfield the other night.

Yea Sean Payton is an idiot too than I suppose.

The only thing I would like to see completely removed is that pitch option. Every time I see that I cringe because I am scared for the day where RG3 pitches it as he is getting hit, exposing his body, and then doesn't get up.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

And lining up receivers or tight ends in the backfield is a problem? I saw Jimmy Graham lining up in New Orleans' backfield the other night.

Yup. Many teams put TE's and/or WR's in the backfield these days.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

And lining up receivers or tight ends in the backfield is a problem? I saw Jimmy Graham lining up in New Orleans' backfield the other night.

My issue with such alignments is when we have basically 10 people in the box (usually in 2 RB 2 TE 2 WR sets) with only one WR split out wide and QB, TE, WR, RB in the backfield. There's no room to be explosive out of that set.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by donofriose

Yea Sean Payton is an idiot too than I suppose.

The only thing I would like to see completely removed is that pitch option. Every time I see that I cringe because I am scared for the day where RG3 pitches it as he is getting hit, exposing his body, and then doesn't get up.

Yeah, I like the pitch option in theory on the defensive end. But seems like by the time RG3 reaches a LB or secondary guy at the LOS to make a pitch option, he's already too close to the sideline to do much good.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

And lining up receivers or tight ends in the backfield is a problem? I saw Jimmy Graham lining up in New Orleans' backfield the other night.

Using New Orleans is a poor example because they obviously spread the field and pass the ball as well as anyone. Besides, I don't see New Orleans running two man routes, or throwing 10 wr screens in one game. This offense was good last year, but Kyle had to have known that the defenses would catch up to it somewhat. Therefore he needed to have another change up....aka...hurry up offense, maybe more shifting and changing up his formations a bit more. It's not all on him, plays have been left out on the field.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

And lining up receivers or tight ends in the backfield is a problem? I saw Jimmy Graham lining up in New Orleans' backfield the other night.

WRs seems like a personnel mismatch to me. I'd prefer RBs and HBs and TEs there. I don't think that formation with WRs has done us any good, has it?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Using New Orleans is a poor example because they obviously spread the field and pass the ball as well as anyone. Besides, I don't see New Orleans running two man routes, or throwing 10 wr screens in one game. This offense was good last year, but Kyle had to have known that the defenses would catch up to it somewhat. Therefore he needed to have another change up....aka...hurry up offense, maybe more shifting and changing up his formations a bit more. It's not all on him, plays have been left out on the field.

I was just talking about different players lining up in the backfield which some people have a problem with, meanwhile plenty of teams do the same thing.

I'm sure Kyle would have loved to have done a bunch of different things this year. With RG rehabbing instead of practicing that kinda threw a wrench in those works and what he could expand on this year was pretty limited.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Yup. Many teams put TE's and/or WR's in the backfield these days.

The difference is those teams (Seattle, NO, NE and Denver especially) spread their guys out on the very next play and overall way more often than bunching up guys in the backfield.

[Green Monk Machine]

well a handful on this site have spoken. You all seem to prefer and defend the read option.
I am fine with my views, I understand your valid points. The team situation seems damn if they do and damned if they don't. However, to protect it behind statements like Robert doesn't get hurt on RO plays is counterproductive. He has had more registered injuries on scramble plays- Atlanta, Baltimore. Clap clap clap. Now can more logic come into the matter? This is a discussion that needs an open mind.

Rob is taking plenty of punishment. Have any of you RO supporters banging your chest in support and anger towards my opposition ever thought that if the RO wasn't being used and pocket passing pro system installed that Robert would have been mentored and tutored to be safer? Perhaps he doesn't get hit by ngata or concussed b/c we don't run that silly RO bullshit and have taken the time to install in him his value and like in golf its about the next play or game or season. I say Kyle's wreckless RO put Robert in harms way and he should have been protecting him on behalf of the team/fans rather than operating RO and making Rob think on a scramble play to go for everything. Its the mindset that no risk may occur and that is crazy. Defenses get paid to send poster boys home/hurt. Act like you know this Warpath!

I hear what you guys say on that but come now- I have seen him get hit to the ground on handoffs to Alfred and on the QB keeps he takes a lot of hits going out of bounds too. Some get flagged but most don't. Therefore, RO DOES expose Robert to unneeded hits and will/does take a toll on him.

The comment about the RO being a thing we do sparingly- Yeah I'm not hearing that whatsoever Matty. That is the bread and butter behind this offense. Perhaps the only reason we haven't used it more is anyones guess either b/c we are losing, or Kyle is a shit play caller to bring that into every game. I think Kyle's play calling can be agreed and is common ground, yes?
I don't understand the rational to say something that is used a certain % of times of game isn't our offense. What would it take for you to say it was- 90-100% RO plays? No team, not even in college does that. Such a position does not impress me.

I feel like Im centered in an argument with stubborn people. Fine you have your views, I have mine. At the end of the day, I see the '12 season as a failure b/c we didn't win the super bowl and our QB got major surgery that cost us the '13 season. Adding to that, the coaches and WP fans think RO is going to work with the Shanahans b/c San Fran/Seattle have better coaching, players, and will be back to back participants in the Super Bowl. I just lose respect for that mindset. For the teams that don't have the full cast of talented players and coaches. Implementing more RO with a QB that has occurred MORE injuries, with a shitty defense, is just outrageous. We gave up more to get Rob, have lost more than those now successful teams, and we bet the house to run a risky system? The '12 season was misleading. I thought Rob was being eased into the NFL and playcalling to be groomed into a pro style system. To think Shanahan hasn't learned his lesson is as awful as hiring his son.

Yes San Fran made it to the SBowl using RO. If we are pointing out obvious statements than I shall point out that they weren't as effective doing it, loss to the team we beat, and still managed to have more of a successful '12 and '13 season than we have b/c they have the intelligence to protect and tutor their QB and bring him along. Same can be said for Seattle. Both teams of which didn't break the draft bank to acquire their QB's of future either. I will be watching them in the playoffs at the same location the skins will be- from the couch.

These people supporting and defending the RO with technicalities quotes and references, I don't think adds anything to the real problems with the offense and like you, haven't
swayed my opinion not whatsoever. But again to the catch 22. We are so mixed up. We need repairs but who and what can fix us? Our problem is instability, but the foundation is crap. We needed more talent but lossed too many draft picks and cap space. Now that we have gotten some back, do we go down the same road with the same horrible coaches? We run a 3-4 but are the worst defense in the league. To fix it may be easier to revert BACK to a 4-3. We have cap space but have to spend it resigning players that haven't performed as expected in years past or have been riddled with injuries. And WOrst of all, there is a divide in the fanbase over Read Option.

Idk when the homer flag stops getting waived but its gets really old hearing this propaganda. And the opposition is just as confused how the RO can even be criticized.

That's the Redskins. Play in MD, practice in VA, call it DC, and have to fight a civil rights issue to even be named. FML

[Green Monk Machine]

Originally Posted by donofriose

Yea Sean Payton is an idiot too than I suppose.

The only thing I would like to see completely removed is that pitch option. Every time I see that I cringe because I am scared for the day where RG3 pitches it as he is getting hit, exposing his body, and then doesn't get up.

Jesus Christ. Payton is the best coach in the NFL. What if Jimmy Graham ran a pitch option? would that be ok with you? Has Payton not called it? Does that mean he is intelligent? b/c your jumping in the conversation and adding stink like a butthole.

And don't worry about the pitch option play and Robert getting hurt b/c in the past and as the WP scholars have pointed out, he doesn't get hurt in RO, only on scrambles.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

And lining up receivers or tight ends in the backfield is a problem? I saw Jimmy Graham lining up in New Orleans' backfield the other night.

Alot of things are "problems" when you are a losing franchise. Its the way of the world. When you are winning nobody cares how it is done. When you are losing it is all about how it is done. Just boils down to execution and personnell really. Add in playcalling in the sense of timing. I just cannot decide if we dont have the talent to run kyles offense, or if kyles offense just isnt good? Or both? Time will tell I guess.