Around the NFL, Training Camp Style

[Giantone]

I thought this might be worth a discussion now that you can bet on the NFL from your seat.


https://www.betfirm.com/super-bowl-odds/


TEAM 2017 RECORD DIVISION 2017 POWER INDEX ODDS CHANGE SUPER BOWL
Patriots 13-3 AFC East 9.4 +675 None 11.74%
Eagles 13-3 NFC East 10.8 +1050 -150 7.91%
Steelers 13-3 AFC North 5.6 +1050 +150 7.91%
Rams 11-5 NFC West 8.0 +1150 +50 7.28%
Packers 7-9 NFC North -4.0 +1275 +25 6.62%
Vikings 13-3 NFC North 5.8 +1300 -50 6.50%
Saints 11-5 NFC South 6.8 +1775 +125 4.85%
Falcons 10-6 NFC South 2.6 +2050 +50 4.23%
Jaguars 10-6 AFC South 8.2 +2250 -50 3.87%
Texans 4-12 AFC South -6.1 +2350 +150 3.71%
49ers 6-10 NFC West -3.2 +2500 -50 3.50%
Chargers 9-7 AFC West 5.2 +2600 -600 3.37%
Cowboys 9-7 NFC East 1.4 +3000 -500 2.94%
Chiefs 10-6 AFC West 4.4 +3300 -300 2.68%
Panthers 11-5 NFC South 1.8 +4000 None 2.22%
Broncos 5-11 AFC West -5.8 +4500 -500 1.98%
Raiders 6-10 AFC West -4.5 +4000 None 2.22%
Ravens 9-7 AFC North 5.8 +5000 -200 1.78%
Giants 3-13 NFC East -8.9 +5500 -250 1.62%
Seahawks 9-7 NFC West 2.1 +5500 -500 1.62%
Titans 9-7 AFC South -2.3 +5000 -1000 1.78%
Lions 9-7 NFC North 2.1 +6500 None 1.38%
Redskins 7-9 NFC East -2.9 +7500 None 1.20%
Bucs 5-11 NFC South -2.9 +9000 -1500 1.00%
Colts 4-12 AFC South -8.8 +8000 -500 1.12%
Browns 0-16 AFC North -11.0 +10000 None 0.90%
Bears 5-11 NFC North -3.5 +11000 -1000 0.82%
Bengals 7-9 AFC North -3.7 +11000 +1500 0.82%
Bills 9-7 AFC East -3.8 +15000 None 0.60%
Jets 5-11 AFC East -5.2 +15000 +5000 0.60%
Dolphins 6-10 AFC East -7.0 +15000 +1500 0.60%
Cardinals 8-8 NFC West -4.1 +15000 None 0.60%

[Giantone]

I will put this here, It's a good read ,Redskins definitely did all they could.


https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/08/15/su...denver-broncos


​​Su’a Cravens peeks at his rear view mirror. The car behind him looks familiar. It was behind him when he was waiting to pull out of the grocery store parking lot. It looks a lot like the car that was behind him yesterday. A minute later, it's still there. That is the same car as yesterday... isn’t it?

He takes a right and glances at the mirror again. That car is still there. His chest tightens, he grips the wheel tighter, palms sweating. His mind goes to the wave of hate enveloping his social media accounts. Get rid of that p---- a-- b----… F--- him. He bailed out. F--- Su’a … Quit being a b---- this is the NFL … What a p----, trade him … Get the f--- out … He’s in the heart of Redskins country, and he’s an enemy.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I will put this here, It's a good read ,Redskins definitely did all they could.


https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/08/15/su...denver-broncos


​​Su’a Cravens peeks at his rear view mirror. The car behind him looks familiar. It was behind him when he was waiting to pull out of the grocery store parking lot. It looks a lot like the car that was behind him yesterday. A minute later, it's still there. That is the same car as yesterday... isn’t it?

He takes a right and glances at the mirror again. That car is still there. His chest tightens, he grips the wheel tighter, palms sweating. His mind goes to the wave of hate enveloping his social media accounts. Get rid of that p---- a-- b----… F--- him. He bailed out. F--- Su’a … Quit being a b---- this is the NFL … What a p----, trade him … Get the f--- out … He’s in the heart of Redskins country, and he’s an enemy.

Geez, it seems like it was bad situation for everyone involved.. It is tragedy the marriage between Cravens and Redskins didn't work out - I hope things will be better for Cravens in Broncos.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

Geez, it seems like it was bad situation for everyone involved.. It is tragedy the marriage between Cravens and Redskins didn't work out - I hope things will be better for Cravens in Broncos.

Dude quit on his teammates, I'm glad he is gone.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Dude quit on his teammates, I'm glad he is gone.

I totally get this mentality - I play football and I always get similar feeling whenever a teammate quit on us every time. However, I am looking through multiple lens, not just football player & football fan lens. I also look through mental health provider lens - I work in a community mental health center and I have Bachelor's in Clinical Psychology.

Anxiety and depression (or any other mental health issues) are not something anyone could simply brush off. Unfortunately, the society still believe in baseless stereotypes surrounding mental health. On almost daily basis, I see how anxiety and depression can affect people and their family/friends. Therefore, I have pretty good undersanding of where Cravens is coming from. To give you a glimpse of severe mental health can do to anyone - my coworker had a case where a patient is diagnosed with severe anxiety; one day, the anxiety got really bad for the patient to a point where he actually believed that his family is trying to take him out in woods to kill him, but the family was simply trying to bring him to my coworker's office due to intesified symptoms. The patient physically harmed his family and they had to call police on the patient. About one week later after being hospitalized, the patient recovered and quickly realized what he did to his family, and now he is filled with guiltness and constantly trying to make it up to his family..

The article also mentioned important facts such as symptoms Cravens experienced; his family and friends felt like Cravens was different person when he was experiencing symptoms; people who knew him for a while defended Cravens's passion for football. I can understand how easy it is for any readers to overlook or simply ignore those facts, however, as a person who have good knowledge regarding mental health, those facts are what convinced me that Cravens's mental health issues are significant than we, fans & NFL, thought it to be.

Please don't get me wrong, this is not to say that Cravens is innocent - how he handled this entire situation is exactly what caused issues for teammates and coaches. By being secretive about what he is going through, he basically left teammates to assume what he was trying to do and naturally, the teammates assumed the worst. I understand completely where Swearinger and teammates are coming from; Swearinger paid Cravens $36k for #36 and then few weeks later, Cravens walked away. How Cravens announced his decision to "retire" and take a break from football to his teammates and walked away from the team right before beginning of the season. Also, Cravens trying to avoid playing due to minor elbow injury while other players are playing with bigger injuries. Those actions are deal-breaker for almost every player and I do not hold it against Redskins players.

Based on the article, it is evident NFL do not have policies nor practice approaches that are friendly for mental health disorders; this pretty much reflect how society views mental health issues. If NFL has policies, are familiar with mental health disorders, and there are mental health providers ready for players; I am 95% certain this entire situation could have been avoided. This is exactly why I said it was bad situation for everyone involved.

[jamf]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

stuff

Mental Health is a serious subject but being a cry baby ass bitch is not anxiety.

Cravens is the guy who takes his pet hamster on a plane claiming it's his therapy hamster. Seriously, fuck these ass holes that fuck up therapy animals for people that really need them.

I was a fan of Cravens from the get go. He is a local kid that played hard at USC (University of Spoiled Children).
I've also followed him on social media and saw red flags before he played a snap for the Skins.

The guy wants to be a superstar like Sean or Ed Reed.
He wants the big money and fame.
He want to bang models and porn stars (Search Sua and Mia Khalifa NWFW probably so I can't post a link).

He gets anxiety when he can't live up to his standards.
This isn't a mental health issue. This is a personality defect from being a soft ass pussy.

This kid is coming off a lost season where his reputation was murdered.
What does he do first week in camp?
Post on instagram a picture of him holding up a 21 jersey with a captains patch. He is almost out of the league but he thinks he is going to be captain?

This isn't anxiety or depression. He is soft and folds when things get tough.


man this was a rant... Wasted 2nd round pick.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by jamf

Mental Health is a serious subject but being a cry baby ass bitch is not anxiety.

Cravens is the guy who takes his pet hamster on a plane claiming it's his therapy hamster. Seriously, fuck these ass holes that fuck up therapy animals for people that really need them.

I was a fan of Cravens from the get go. He is a local kid that played hard at USC (University of Spoiled Children).
I've also followed him on social media and saw red flags before he played a snap for the Skins.

The guy wants to be a superstar like Sean or Ed Reed.
He wants the big money and fame.
He want to bang models and porn stars (Search Sua and Mia Khalifa NWFW probably so I can't post a link).

He gets anxiety when he can't live up to his standards.
This isn't a mental health issue. This is a personality defect from being a soft ass pussy.

This kid is coming off a lost season where his reputation was murdered.
What does he do first week in camp?
Post on instagram a picture of him holding up a 21 jersey with a captains patch. He is almost out of the league but he thinks he is going to be captain?

This isn't anxiety or depression. He is soft and folds when things get tough.


man this was a rant... Wasted 2nd round pick.

Lol I stand by my statement. Everyone is entitled to their opinions.. One thing we all must remind ourselves often when we see stuff on media and social media - things aren't always what we perceived it to be.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

I totally get this mentality - I play football and I always get similar feeling whenever a teammate quit on us every time. However, I am looking through multiple lens, not just football player & football fan lens. I also look through mental health provider lens - I work in a community mental health center and I have Bachelor's in Clinical Psychology.



Anxiety and depression (or any other mental health issues) are not something anyone could simply brush off. Unfortunately, the society still believe in baseless stereotypes surrounding mental health. On almost daily basis, I see how anxiety and depression can affect people and their family/friends. Therefore, I have pretty good undersanding of where Cravens is coming from. To give you a glimpse of severe mental health can do to anyone - my coworker had a case where a patient is diagnosed with severe anxiety; one day, the anxiety got really bad for the patient to a point where he actually believed that his family is trying to take him out in woods to kill him, but the family was simply trying to bring him to my coworker's office due to intesified symptoms. The patient physically harmed his family and they had to call police on the patient. About one week later after being hospitalized, the patient recovered and quickly realized what he did to his family, and now he is filled with guiltness and constantly trying to make it up to his family..



The article also mentioned important facts such as symptoms Cravens experienced; his family and friends felt like Cravens was different person when he was experiencing symptoms; people who knew him for a while defended Cravens's passion for football. I can understand how easy it is for any readers to overlook or simply ignore those facts, however, as a person who have good knowledge regarding mental health, those facts are what convinced me that Cravens's mental health issues are significant than we, fans & NFL, thought it to be.



Please don't get me wrong, this is not to say that Cravens is innocent - how he handled this entire situation is exactly what caused issues for teammates and coaches. By being secretive about what he is going through, he basically left teammates to assume what he was trying to do and naturally, the teammates assumed the worst. I understand completely where Swearinger and teammates are coming from; Swearinger paid Cravens $36k for #36 and then few weeks later, Cravens walked away. How Cravens announced his decision to "retire" and take a break from football to his teammates and walked away from the team right before beginning of the season. Also, Cravens trying to avoid playing due to minor elbow injury while other players are playing with bigger injuries. Those actions are deal-breaker for almost every player and I do not hold it against Redskins players.



Based on the article, it is evident NFL do not have policies nor practice approaches that are friendly for mental health disorders; this pretty much reflect how society views mental health issues. If NFL has policies, are familiar with mental health disorders, and there are mental health providers ready for players; I am 95% certain this entire situation could have been avoided. This is exactly why I said it was bad situation for everyone involved.

Well said

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

I totally get this mentality - I play football and I always get similar feeling whenever a teammate quit on us every time. However, I am looking through multiple lens, not just football player & football fan lens. I also look through mental health provider lens - I work in a community mental health center and I have Bachelor's in Clinical Psychology.

Anxiety and depression (or any other mental health issues) are not something anyone could simply brush off. Unfortunately, the society still believe in baseless stereotypes surrounding mental health. On almost daily basis, I see how anxiety and depression can affect people and their family/friends. Therefore, I have pretty good undersanding of where Cravens is coming from. To give you a glimpse of severe mental health can do to anyone - my coworker had a case where a patient is diagnosed with severe anxiety; one day, the anxiety got really bad for the patient to a point where he actually believed that his family is trying to take him out in woods to kill him, but the family was simply trying to bring him to my coworker's office due to intesified symptoms. The patient physically harmed his family and they had to call police on the patient. About one week later after being hospitalized, the patient recovered and quickly realized what he did to his family, and now he is filled with guiltness and constantly trying to make it up to his family..

The article also mentioned important facts such as symptoms Cravens experienced; his family and friends felt like Cravens was different person when he was experiencing symptoms; people who knew him for a while defended Cravens's passion for football. I can understand how easy it is for any readers to overlook or simply ignore those facts, however, as a person who have good knowledge regarding mental health, those facts are what convinced me that Cravens's mental health issues are significant than we, fans & NFL, thought it to be.

Please don't get me wrong, this is not to say that Cravens is innocent - how he handled this entire situation is exactly what caused issues for teammates and coaches. By being secretive about what he is going through, he basically left teammates to assume what he was trying to do and naturally, the teammates assumed the worst. I understand completely where Swearinger and teammates are coming from; Swearinger paid Cravens $36k for #36 and then few weeks later, Cravens walked away. How Cravens announced his decision to "retire" and take a break from football to his teammates and walked away from the team right before beginning of the season. Also, Cravens trying to avoid playing due to minor elbow injury while other players are playing with bigger injuries. Those actions are deal-breaker for almost every player and I do not hold it against Redskins players.

Based on the article, it is evident NFL do not have policies nor practice approaches that are friendly for mental health disorders; this pretty much reflect how society views mental health issues. If NFL has policies, are familiar with mental health disorders, and there are mental health providers ready for players; I am 95% certain this entire situation could have been avoided. This is exactly why I said it was bad situation for everyone involved.

First , this is a great post . With that said I will disagree with your last paragraph. Yes we always hope we can catch and help anyone in trouble but I am(personally) just getting tired of everyone blaming the NFL and blaming the game in general for all the problems they endure while playing this game. Did he have any sort of mental health issues before or in college, does anything like this run in his family and as the story says many of his teammates tried to talk to him and help him . Sorry but to say you are 95% certain this could have been avoided ...no ,not sold on that.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by Giantone

First , this is a great post . With that said I will disagree with your last paragraph. Yes we always hope we can catch and help anyone in trouble but I am(personally) just getting tired of everyone blaming the NFL and blaming the game in general for all the problems they endure while playing this game. Did he have any sort of mental health issues before or in college, does anything like this run in his family and as the story says many of his teammates tried to talk to him and help him . Sorry but to say you are 95% certain this could have been avoided ...no ,not sold on that.

Cravens says Gruden again told him to fight through it. Cravens says the coach asked him, “What are you going to do outside of football to make money? Your family depends on you, you need to take care of your family financially right now.”

Both times he met with Gruden, Cravens ended up agreeing with his coach, and left the meetings determined to keep going. “I would just bottle all those feelings up again until they would build up” he says. In an attempt to make things better, his family moved out to the East coast to alleviate his homesickness. It wasn’t enough.

This screams ignorant & classic "men do not cry" stereotype on Gruden's part; to me, this shows me that coaches did not go through any training to detect any kind of mental health issues. All it takes is a simple and basic training for anyone to detect something is going on and then he could refer Cravens to appropriate person for futher analysis.

Because he was not allowed in the building, he was cut off from continuing his meniscus rehab with team trainers. Cravens and Peter Schaffer say that because he was on the left squad list, he was also cut off from accessing his NFL insurance and had to file through worker’s comp coverage. Cravens paid out of his own pocket for his flights and hotels when he went to see Collins. Per the CBA, players are permitted to seek second opinions and teams will cover the expenses for those second opinions, but the specific rules on whether that coverage remains in effect while a player is on the left squad list could not be determined. (An NFL spokesperson did not respond to multiple requests for clarification.)

No safeguard for players with mental health issues

A source familiar with the situation says the team believed they were not allowed to contact Cravens because of his left squad designation, but that they made sure to provide him with contact info for the team doctors if he ever needed help. (An NFL spokesperson did not reply to multiple messages requesting clarification on whether the team was allowed to make contact with Cravens.)

This tells me NFL did not consider mental health issues when creating this policy. Team doctors are not adequate for mental health disorders; without doing research on NFL team doctors, I'm assuming that they specialize in sports injuries, nothing more.

The NFL constitution adequately covers how to handle a player who left training camp without permission, or quit the team, and it outlines what to do with a player who has a serious football injury, but it doesn’t address the middle ground in which Cravens found himself. Further complicating matters, Cravens is adamant that his battle with post-concussion syndrome paired with his family issue made him snap and impulsively tell his teammates he was retiring. When viewed in light of Collins’s diagnosis, Cravens’s threats or eventual proclamation of retirement can’t be taken at face value.

Nothing futher needs to be said.


I find it comical how NFL always switch back and forth when it comes to business - NFL always said that NFL is all about business and acts like it when it comes to money & players' contracts, and cutting & trading players, and, and yet NFL always try skirt around other aspects of business such as taking care of its employees (players) and corporate social responsibilities.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I will put this here, It's a good read ,Redskins definitely did all they could.


https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/08/15/su...denver-broncos


​​Su’a Cravens peeks at his rear view mirror. The car behind him looks familiar. It was behind him when he was waiting to pull out of the grocery store parking lot. It looks a lot like the car that was behind him yesterday. A minute later, it's still there. That is the same car as yesterday... isn’t it?

He takes a right and glances at the mirror again. That car is still there. His chest tightens, he grips the wheel tighter, palms sweating. His mind goes to the wave of hate enveloping his social media accounts. Get rid of that p---- a-- b----… F--- him. He bailed out. F--- Su’a … Quit being a b---- this is the NFL … What a p----, trade him … Get the f--- out … He’s in the heart of Redskins country, and he’s an enemy.

zero sympathy and I find his excuses and blaming others to be inline with his generation. he takes no responsibility

typical pussy millennial

Him and Terrell Pryor are close personality wise

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

zero sympathy and I find his excuses and blaming others to be inline with his generation. he takes no responsibility

typical pussy millennial

Him and Terrell Pryor are close personality wise

“No one thought he was faking an injury,” says Compton. “I like Su’a a lot, he means well. He said he tore his bicep. Well, it comes back that he sprained his elbow. He had four weeks to get back from a sprained elbow. Guys are out there playing with stuff on their elbow all the time. He didn’t make the effort.”

Enough said

[jamf]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

zero sympathy and I find his excuses and blaming others to be inline with his generation. he takes no responsibility

typical pussy millennial

Him and Terrell Pryor are close personality wise

Dude you're losing your shit.
This has nothing to do with being a millennial.

He is a spoiled brat, they aren't exclusive to the millennial generation.