WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Scalper

If your FO isn't clowns, the #19 is a 10 year starter at some position.

And it will take more than #19.

Our last (2) 3rd rounders have become solid starters.

I'm guessing the deal will be a 1st, a 3rd, a 5th, something like that. A 1st, a higher pick, and a lower pick.



So four years from now, do we have:



(2) solid long term starters at say WR,CB,LB,FS, etc. who are 25 and have half a decade left in the tank minimum. And also perhaps a solid role player such as a 3rd down RB, rotational corner, backup OL, etc.

Or a QB that retired.



Such short term thinking. People never learn.

Those first round picks are the backbone of our only elite unit, DL.

The thinking should be to make other parts of the team elite with young players in similar fashion, not squandering draft capital on retread QBs.

Imagine next four years we spend picks in 1st round on QB,LT,CB,WR.

Now you are starting to talk about an elite team.

Think about 4 years from now not being able to keep the core line together and the last 4 year were spent trying to find an elite qb because you continually finished 8 and 8 and squandered the talent you had picked. There is a balance to spending for a known qb and contunually trying to find the aarron rodgers. Or are you saying that you want to endure seasons where we draft in the top 5 to "guarantee" we get a top QB prospect.

Or imagine signing a top QB for a 1st and 3rd this year and not having to risk wasting multiple first round picks in search of the right qb. In addition imagine having a FO that, with QB in place and a repeat division contender in hand, not worrying about the owner trying to replace the coach due to fan base outrage.

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[sevier2]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Think about 4 years from now not being able to keep the core line together and the last 4 year were spent trying to find an elite qb because you continually finished 8 and 8 and squandered the talent you had picked. There is a balance to spending for a known qb and contunually trying to find the aarron rodgers. Or are you saying that you want to endure seasons where we draft in the top 5 to "guarantee" we get a top QB prospect.

Or imagine signing a top QB for a 1st and 3rd this year and not having to risk wasting multiple first round picks in search of the right qb. In addition imagine having a FO that, with QB in place and a repeat division contender in hand, not worrying about the owner trying to replace the coach due to fan base outrage.

Sounds good to me. Not to mention that would make the team more attractive to future FA’s as well.

My hope is we brought in Mayhew, among other reasons, because of his ties to Stafford. Rivera might have already decided he wants to go after Stafford and brought in people he thinks can make that move work.

[SFREDSKIN]

I'm sorry, I've seen Carr play here since his rookie season and he'll never be a winner. If you want an average under achieving QB get Carr.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I'm sorry, I've seen Carr play here since his rookie season and he'll never be a winner. If you want an average under achieving QB get Carr.

He's solid. He's never had a lot of talent around him. A decent WR, no RB, a decent RB, no WR, a decent TE here and there. He's put up solid numbers - better than Stafford since he's been in the league.

Put him on a team that has talent on offense, a great defense, and good coaching, and he can win.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

He's solid. He's never had a lot of talent around him. A decent WR, no RB, a decent RB, no WR, a decent TE here and there. He's put up solid numbers - better than Stafford since he's been in the league.

Put him on a team that has talent on offense, a great defense, and good coaching, and he can win.

You would take Carr over Stafford?

I think Carr would be only a slight upgrade of Kyle Allen, so I wouldn’t pay him a lot if we are interested...

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

You would take Carr over Stafford?

I think Carr would be only a slight upgrade of Kyle Allen, so I wouldn’t pay him a lot if we are interested...

Their current contracts are fairly equal at this point. Carr's due a few Mil less in 2022.

I'd probably lean towards Stafford, but I'm not even sure why. They are basically the same guy. If they are both traded this offseason, the Raiders and Lions will likely get comparable compensation.

I just don't see much separating them, do you?

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

He's solid. He's never had a lot of talent around him. A decent WR, no RB, a decent RB, no WR, a decent TE here and there. He's put up solid numbers - better than Stafford since he's been in the league.

Put him on a team that has talent on offense, a great defense, and good coaching, and he can win.

All I’m going to say is, if you hated Kirk Cousins, you are going detest Carr. I would take Cousins over him any day.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

All I’m going to say is, if you hated Kirk Cousins, you are going detest Carr. I would take Cousins over him any day.

Why?

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Why?

INT's at critical times over and over, holds on to the ball and takes a lot of sacks. If Raiders fans say he sucks, believe it.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

He's solid. He's never had a lot of talent around him. A decent WR, no RB, a decent RB, no WR, a decent TE here and there. He's put up solid numbers - better than Stafford since he's been in the league.

Put him on a team that has talent on offense, a great defense, and good coaching, and he can win.

I would say Carr is a bit above average, but hardly someone you trade for. He is rolling up on 30.

Stafford has a more elite physical skill set, especially arm strength and better deep ball accuracy, but that doesn't mean I love either.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Think about 4 years from now not being able to keep the core line together and the last 4 year were spent trying to find an elite qb because you continually finished 8 and 8 and squandered the talent you had picked. There is a balance to spending for a known qb and contunually trying to find the aarron rodgers. Or are you saying that you want to endure seasons where we draft in the top 5 to "guarantee" we get a top QB prospect.

Or imagine signing a top QB for a 1st and 3rd this year and not having to risk wasting multiple first round picks in search of the right qb. In addition imagine having a FO that, with QB in place and a repeat division contender in hand, not worrying about the owner trying to replace the coach due to fan base outrage.

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We are not getting a top QB for that little. If you had a "top" QB would you trade him for that little? NO. We are getting retreads, nothing more, guys on the downside of their careers whose best years are way behind them.

You have to have the balls to "risk" finding the franchise QB. If your GM can't find one, find a new GM period. Snyder a huge problem, no arguing that.

Rather risk a few picks and find a franchise QB, have him 5 years on rookie deal, and have position locked up for 10 years, than squander picks and need another QB in 3 years.

If your goal is to win multiple SBs, it is abundantly clear how you do that is salary cap era: draft a franchise QB. Older retreads you trade valuable picks for are fools gold. Everyone who thinks otherwise is wrong. And by the way, when the Packers drafted Rodgers, they weren't sure he was answer, so they kept drafting QBs. Virtually every team late runs in playoffs has a long term QB they drafted and developed. This is not accidental.

And again, if your GM can't find a QB, find a new GM. We are hosed with RR being defacto GM. We will be very good but never get to the mountaintop. RR will make the short term decision, as most coaches would, as it takes 1-3 years to develop a rookie. Not saying finding a QB in draft is easy, but a good GM can do it.

Snyder will always meddle. Is the goal to win the division and get blown out 1st or 2nd round of playoffs every year, or win the SB? Going to have to beat Mahomes, Rodgers, etc., eventually, and need a true franchise QB to do that. Not a retread. People just don't get it.

There actually isn't a balance to trading draft picks that are gold for QBs on the wrong side of 30 or close to it. You pay through the teeth. Then you don't have enough guys on rookie deals, overpay FA, last decade here in other words.

[SFREDSKIN]

With Aaron Rogers being unhappy in GB, I would inquire about him or Jordan Love, see what if they are willing to make a move. By the way, SF doesn’t like Jimmy G. Cause he’s not Montana or Young, their coaches and fans are caught up in that mentality.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

With Aaron Rogers being unhappy in GB, I would inquire about him or Jordan Love, see what if they are willing to make a move. By the way, SF doesn’t like Jimmy G. Cause he’s not Montana or Young, their coaches and fans are caught up in that mentality.

I mentioned Love last year, I thought his tape was really good. I doubt they move him though. I also highly doubt ARod leaves.