Fitzmagic thread

[Daseal]

I'm less high on him than most. He's been in the league 17 years, some teams with some really incredible offensive talent, and never played in the playoffs. Heinicke has more playoff experience than Fitz.

That said, I'm excited to move on from the Alex "Paint Drying" Smith offense and actually have a reason to cheer. Fitz doesn't know what a check down is.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I'm less high on him than most. He's been in the league 17 years, some teams with some really incredible offensive talent, and never played in the playoffs. Heinicke has more playoff experience than Fitz.

That said, I'm excited to move on from the Alex "Paint Drying" Smith offense and actually have a reason to cheer. Fitz doesn't know what a check down is.

With all due respect, I agree. Glad he retired.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I'm less high on him than most. He's been in the league 17 years, some teams with some really incredible offensive talent, and never played in the playoffs. Heinicke has more playoff experience than Fitz.



That said, I'm excited to move on from the Alex "Paint Drying" Smith offense and actually have a reason to cheer. Fitz doesn't know what a check down is.

I am curious. In people's opinion what was the most talented team Fitzpatrick was on? What about his game, other than ints, leads to not succeeding?



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[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I am curious. In people's opinion what was the most talented team Fitzpatrick was on? What about his game, other than ints, leads to not succeeding?



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By record, it's the 2015 Jets who were 10-6! Just under 4,000 yards with 31TD/15INT. WRS were Brandon Marshall, Eric Decker, Jeremy Kerley and a RBBC.

He's been on bad teams...the Rams, Bengals, Bills, Titans, Texans, Jets, Bucs and Dolphins. Talent-wise, OUR TEAM is the best roster he's ever been on.

He seems to have gotten better with age and the last 3 years, his completion % were 67, 26, 69%. Last season looks like his best and he was benched for the rookie just because it was "his time".

[Daseal]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

By record, it's the 2015 Jets who were 10-6! Just under 4,000 yards with 31TD/15INT. WRS were Brandon Marshall, Eric Decker, Jeremy Kerley and a RBBC.

He's been on bad teams...the Rams, Bengals, Bills, Titans, Texans, Jets, Bucs and Dolphins. Talent-wise, OUR TEAM is the best roster he's ever been on.

He seems to have gotten better with age and the last 3 years, his completion % were 67, 26, 69%. Last season looks like his best and he was benched for the rookie just because it was "his time".

In terms of complete teams (with a defense) you may be right. But he's had a lot of offensive talent in his career.

Bucs: Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Adam Humphries and DeSean Jackson
Bengals: Chad Johnson and TJ Houshmandzadeh
Texans: DeAndre Hopkins, Andre Johnson and Arian Foster.
Jets: Robby Anderson, Brandon Marshall and Matt Forte.
Titans: Chris Johnson, Kenny Britt, Justin Hunter, Nate Washington, Kendall Wright, Delaine Walker
Bills: C.J. Spiller, Chirs Hogan, and Stevie Johnson

I think we have better talent than some of these. But all of his teams have had some really solid talent on offense, but he's never even made the playoffs. When it comes to what he does wrong, general gist is throws too many interceptions and has a problem playing smart with a lead.

Again, I hope that I'm wrong and he lights it up. That said, this is his 17th year in the league, he has never made the playoffs, and he's played for 9 different teams. Good QBs don't bounce around like that. While I woulda liked to give Henicke a chance, I understand wanting a veteran stop gap. I think Fitz will be exciting, but will make us all pull our hair out. I think he probably loses us 2 games with his play, what I can't make a guess at is how many he wins with his gunslinging.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Daseal

In terms of complete teams (with a defense) you may be right. But he's had a lot of offensive talent in his career.



Bucs: Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, Adam Humphries and DeSean Jackson

Bengals: Chad Johnson and TJ Houshmandzadeh

Texans: DeAndre Hopkins, Andre Johnson and Arian Foster.

Jets: Robby Anderson, Brandon Marshall and Matt Forte.

Titans: Chris Johnson, Kenny Britt, Justin Hunter, Nate Washington, Kendall Wright, Delaine Walker

Bills: C.J. Spiller, Chirs Hogan, and Stevie Johnson



I think we have better talent than some of these. But all of his teams have had some really solid talent on offense, but he's never even made the playoffs. When it comes to what he does wrong, general gist is throws too many interceptions and has a problem playing smart with a lead.



Again, I hope that I'm wrong and he lights it up. That said, this is his 17th year in the league, he has never made the playoffs, and he's played for 9 different teams. Good QBs don't bounce around like that. While I woulda liked to give Henicke a chance, I understand wanting a veteran stop gap. I think Fitz will be exciting, but will make us all pull our hair out. I think he probably loses us 2 games with his play, what I can't make a guess at is how many he wins with his gunslinging.

So the main issue is his interceptions, and forcing plays with a lead?

I definitely agree on ints, over his career he basically has been a 1 td vs 1 int guy. I don't know about playing smart with a lead, seems that will be on Turner to manage and make sure the offense doesn't overthink the situations. I am not sure I trust Turner with that either.

All that said, if our defense can protect the lead and bailout even a quarter of the ints, we should see an explosive offense to go with a stifling defense. Looking forward to see it play out that way.

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[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

So the main issue is his interceptions, and forcing plays with a lead?

I definitely agree on ints, over his career he basically has been a 1 td vs 1 int guy.

I keep hearing that but his stats don't back that story up.

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...F/FitzRy00.htm

223 TDs/169 INTs

Yes he does throw INTs and had a couple of years where they were close to even, but most of his career that's not the case.

Playing a Brett Favre style, INTs are going to happen. In fact, he has the SAME TD:INT ratio as Favre over his career.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

I keep hearing that but his stats don't back that story up.



https://www.pro-football-reference.c...F/FitzRy00.htm



223 TDs/169 INTs



Yes he does throw INTs and had a couple of years where they were close to even, but most of his career that's not the case.



Playing a Brett Favre style, INTs are going to happen. In fact, he has the SAME TD:INT ratio as Favre over his career.

He had a 4 year stretch where 3 of the 4 years his ints were more than his tds. Last year in the first 6 games he had 2 where he threw multiple ints no tds, and 3 where he threw multiple tds and no ints and 1 with 3 tds and 2 ints.

I am really hopeful that the good Fitz comes and I expect he will but I guess I get some of the hesitations.

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[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I'm less high on him than most. He's been in the league 17 years, some teams with some really incredible offensive talent, and never played in the playoffs. Heinicke has more playoff experience than Fitz.

That said, I'm excited to move on from the Alex "Paint Drying" Smith offense and actually have a reason to cheer. Fitz doesn't know what a check down is.

Watching Alex play QB was torture. Got to respect him and all, great guy but not a championship type of QB - even when he was healthy I wasn't a fan.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Watching Alex play QB was torture. Got to respect him and all, great guy but not a championship type of QB - even when he was healthy I wasn't a fan.

Gutsy af…but dude was done.

But watching Dwayne Haskins was worst. Fuckin Snyder…

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Watching Alex play QB was torture. Got to respect him and all, great guy but not a championship type of QB - even when he was healthy I wasn't a fan.

Alex was a good QB but last yr was a disaster. Other than the Pittsburgh game I thought he looked awful in most starts. Fitz is old but he's also a gun slinger that still has a decent enough arm to scare a defense. The offense will be night and day from last yr