Ron Rivera

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Just because Ron is the only option isn’t an excuse for losing lol. It was a 45 yard difference that really was the turning point of the game. Your optimism is becoming rose colored.

LOL, I'm not excusing their losing... I'm just not putting it on that play.

It is easy to criticize a play like that sitting on your couch. Timeouts are valuable, and you don't just throw the challenge flag every time you think a pass might be incomplete. He was like a second late, after Philly hurried up to snap the ball. Sometimes the Head coaches don't get the communication fast enough to know that the flag should be thrown. It's unfortunate, but that's the way it is.

Yes, that was a very impactful play - may have even been a turning point. But that isn't why they lost the game. They lost the game because the offensive line got man-handled, and no adjustments were made to account for that until it was too late.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

LOL, I'm not excusing their losing... I'm just not putting it on that play.

It is easy to criticize a play like that sitting on your couch. Timeouts are valuable, and you don't just throw the challenge flag every time you think a pass might be incomplete. He was like a second late, after Philly hurried up to snap the ball. Sometimes the Head coaches don't get the communication fast enough to know that the flag should be thrown. It's unfortunate, but that's the way it is.

Yes, that was a very impactful play - may have even been a turning point. But that isn't why they lost the game. They lost the game because the offensive line got man-handled, and no adjustments were made to account for that until it was too late.

Eagles hurried up because they knew. So they were able to see the replay and run a play but Ron wasn’t able to throw a flag?
It was 0-0 at that point so timeout schmimeout.

Anyway no there is nobody to replace him now. We will suffer through another year. After which I really hope we give some coordinator a shot. Maybe Bieniemy? Idk. But a change is necessary.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Eagles hurried up because they knew. So they were able to see the replay and run a play but Ron wasn’t able to throw a flag?
It was 0-0 at that point so timeout schmimeout.

Anyway no there is nobody to replace him now. We will suffer through another year. After which I really hope we give some coordinator a shot. Maybe Bieniemy? Idk. But a change is necessary.

They knew? I'm not buying that. Teams hurry up all the time when it's a big play and it's close - just in case. Sometimes a challenge is warranted, and sometimes it's not. Hurts knew it was close and wanted to hurry up before a flag could be thrown, and RR was one second too late - I'll give you that.

Look, I'm not saying that a challenge flag shouldn't have been thrown, but honestly the defense was playing fine up to that point, and even after that play they only gave up 3 points. I'm just not a fan of just throwing the flag if you aren't sure it's warranted.

Anyway, not throwing the challenge flag one second earlier is like the last thing I'm concerned about after watching that game.

If you want a turning point, look at Carson's fumble on their own 23 yard line - followed by Philly's first TD.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Anyway, not throwing the challenge flag one second earlier is like the last thing I'm concerned about after watching that game.

If you want a turning point, look at Carson's fumble on their own 23 yard line - followed by Philly's first TD.

But in terms of Ron and what Ron actually does during games ... Scott is play calling, JDR is sending out the same nickel package every down ... Ron is responsible for TOs, deciding to go for it for 2 or on 4th down ... and throwing the challenge flag.

Zero reason for Ron to slow walk onto the field, watching Eagles doing a hurry up and take his time gentlemenly tossing the flag. Im sure he'll say he was waiting to hear from his replay team in his ear whether to challenge or not but its on Ron. Make an executive decision everyone on their couch saw in live time.

Im a Ron defender, I think he has done a lot more good than bad with his time here and the things hes done "off the field" have been huge in terms of making us close to a competent complete organization (scouts/infrastructure/having an HR, execs etc)

BUT not throwing that challenge flag and going for 2 a second time last week ... is inexcusable.

Unforced error.

Coaches cant make bone head unforced errors that effects what happens on the field.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

But in terms of Ron and what Ron actually does during games ... Scott is play calling, JDR is sending out the same nickel package every down ... Ron is responsible for TOs, deciding to go for it for 2 or on 4th down ... and throwing the challenge flag.

Zero reason for Ron to slow walk onto the field, watching Eagles doing a hurry up and take his time gentlemenly tossing the flag. Im sure he'll say he was waiting to hear from his replay team in his ear whether to challenge or not but its on Ron. Make an executive decision everyone on their couch saw in live time.

Im a Ron defender, I think he has done a lot more good than bad with his time here and the things hes done "off the field" have been huge in terms of making us close to a competent complete organization (scouts/infrastructure/having an HR, execs etc)

BUT not throwing that challenge flag and going for 2 a second time last week ... is inexcusable.

Unforced error.

Coaches cant make bone head unforced errors that effects what happens on the field.

I'm not going to argue with any of that. My original point was simply that not throwing the challenge flag a second earlier wasn't the reason they got boat raced yesterday.

Me personally, putting myself in his shoes, I'm not throwing the challenge flag there unless I know for sure I'm winning it. Sounds like plenty of people (especially with the benefit of sitting on their couch and seeing the instant replay) would have thrown it immediately, timeout be damned. I'm just not one of them.