Ron Rivera

[EdmundDorf]

I was wondering this morning whether Rons lack of awareness affected whether he would pull Wentz. Obviously there is some ego in proving he was right, but if he had known the situation was a must win would he have pulled Wentz and put Heinicke in at the half. It seemed obvious from the 1st Qtr that Wentz was completely lost.

My point being the counter argument to those who said, not on here, that Ron doesn't need to know the implications of other games, that the situation dictated a shorter leash fo Wentz

[AnonEmouse]

Originally Posted by EdmundDorf

I was wondering this morning whether Rons lack of awareness affected whether he would pull Wentz. Obviously there is some ego in proving he was right, but if he had known the situation was a must win would he have pulled Wentz and put Heinicke in at the half. It seemed obvious from the 1st Qtr that Wentz was completely lost.

My point being the counter argument to those who said, not on here, that Ron doesn't need to know the implications of other games, that the situation dictated a shorter leash fo Wentz

If he came out of last week with an 80% view Wentz should start, then no. Nothing to say, if he had faith in him, he couldn't turn it around in the 2nd half. Subbing him in the 4th or even mid 3rd quarter would show he doubted his own decision, likely why he stuck with him.

If he had a 55% view, then yes, he should have pulled Wentz as soon as it looked like he was lost.

Either way, this speaks to Ron's ego getting in the way of sound decision making. Wentz, to date, hasn't shown anything that suggested he should ever start another game. Screw practice, his game performance at the end of last season and early this season showed that.

We need a fresh new YOUNG coaching staff that will have faith in young guys getting their bumps in game and learning. We've wasted another year of Scary's capability, and while we've learned that Samuel and Dotson can contribute we've also lost an opportunity to get best use out of them too.

But next season hinges on a quick sale of the team so the new guy can begin rebuilding before FA and the draft. If we don't sell soon, Ron will be back and we'll likely end up letting Wentz go and pursue Carr. Likely a similar scenario to this season.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

If he came out of last week with an 80% view Wentz should start, then no. Nothing to say, if he had faith in him, he couldn't turn it around in the 2nd half. Subbing him in the 4th or even mid 3rd quarter would show he doubted his own decision, likely why he stuck with him.

If he had a 55% view, then yes, he should have pulled Wentz as soon as it looked like he was lost.

Either way, this speaks to Ron's ego getting in the way of sound decision making. Wentz, to date, hasn't shown anything that suggested he should ever start another game. Screw practice, his game performance at the end of last season and early this season showed that.

We need a fresh new YOUNG coaching staff that will have faith in young guys getting their bumps in game and learning. We've wasted another year of Scary's capability, and while we've learned that Samuel and Dotson can contribute we've also lost an opportunity to get best use out of them too.

But next season hinges on a quick sale of the team so the new guy can begin rebuilding before FA and the draft. If we don't sell soon, Ron will be back and we'll likely end up letting Wentz go and pursue Carr. Likely a similar scenario to this season.

100% Agree, bring in Kellen Moore! He knows offense and the players like him.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by EdmundDorf

I was wondering this morning whether Rons lack of awareness affected whether he would pull Wentz. Obviously there is some ego in proving he was right, but if he had known the situation was a must win would he have pulled Wentz and put Heinicke in at the half. It seemed obvious from the 1st Qtr that Wentz was completely lost.

My point being the counter argument to those who said, not on here, that Ron doesn't need to know the implications of other games, that the situation dictated a shorter leash fo Wentz

For the people who say he doesn’t need to know the implications of the game well I guarantee you every other HC who was fighting for the playoffs yesterday was fully aware of every scenario because they pay attention to detail. If I hire a realtor they better damn well be aware of comps in my area and not just focused on doing the deal. Of course you pull Wentz when he was shitting the bed. Ron definitely was thinking let me get a full look at Carson and than think about next week.
He has done much worse, like his personnel decisions, but the whole thing just screams of incompetence. Like someone else mentioned on here - JDR is fully in charge of the D, and Turner is fully in charge of the O. Ron absolutely failed playing GM. His team always comes out flat for games, and in the second half so his motivational skills are clearly sub par. He has blamed others and thrown his own players under the bus so even his pressers are shit. I mean wtf does this guy actually do well besides lose? He is just there getting paid and it is a straight joke at this point. If he had any semblance of pride he would walk away. We will never, ever, win with him at the helm. He should give Cam Newton half his paychecks because he wouldn’t even be collecting them without him.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by punch it in

For the people who say he doesn’t need to know the implications of the game well I guarantee you every other HC who was fighting for the playoffs yesterday was fully aware of every scenario because they pay attention to detail. If I hire a realtor they better damn well be aware of comps in my area and not just focused on doing the deal. Of course you pull Wentz when he was shitting the bed. Ron definitely was thinking let me get a full look at Carson and than think about next week.
He has done much worse, like his personnel decisions, but the whole thing just screams of incompetence. Like someone else mentioned on here - JDR is fully in charge of the D, and Turner is fully in charge of the O. Ron absolutely failed playing GM. His team always comes out flat for games, and in the second half so his motivational skills are clearly sub par. He has blamed others and thrown his own players under the bus so even his pressers are shit. I mean wtf does this guy actually do well besides lose? He is just there getting paid and it is a straight joke at this point. If he had any semblance of pride he would walk away. We will never, ever, win with him at the helm. He should give Cam Newton half his paychecks because he wouldn’t even be collecting them without him.

100% The truth! Cam Newton is the only fucking reason that loser even got to a SB! And in Ron Rivera fashion his team came out flat and got their ass kicked in that game too.

There is a reason why the Panthers let him go.. They knew he was a loser.

At the end of the day just because people are nice doesn't mean they are good at their jobs.. He's a bottom 5 HC in the NFL

[irish]

Originally Posted by EdmundDorf

I was wondering this morning whether Rons lack of awareness affected whether he would pull Wentz. Obviously there is some ego in proving he was right, but if he had known the situation was a must win would he have pulled Wentz and put Heinicke in at the half. It seemed obvious from the 1st Qtr that Wentz was completely lost.

My point being the counter argument to those who said, not on here, that Ron doesn't need to know the implications of other games, that the situation dictated a shorter leash fo Wentz

I almost fell out of my chair when Ron got a confused look on his face and said "We can be eliminated?" That comment makes me call into question every decision made up to and including during the game.

That said, Ron is a dinosaur and slow to change/adapt so even had he known I doubt he'd have done anything differently.