Will Andre Carter Be A Bust??

[steveo395]

it's possible to have 4% body fat

[MightyJoeGibbs]

I think if we had 2 bulldozing DT's and a secondary that could cover Carter would have astronomical numbers. We have to draft cover corners, and run stuffing DT's. Look what happened to the Ravens with Ngata/Gregg- well you dont hear much from TPryce yet but they may lead the league in sacks. I dunno i would like to see us go to a 3-4 if we dont draft a DT next year, they seem harder to come by because it is an unglorified position compared to LB, we have to create a pass rush w/o taking guys from the secondary to make it. the front 4 is doing a horrible job this year just as they have for the past 6 years. Adding Poseyand Mac. we should be showing glimpses of 3-4 if our only DT is Griffin. This is crazy Carter will be a bust until the secondary can cover everyone every play. If he likes it or not, what he has done this season only proves despite his amazing body/strength? that he is too undersized to play that DE and is better suited in a 3-4. His size would make him much more intimitating than D. Ware or any OLB in the league--oops forgot about Merryman. 3-4 is the way to go for the current selection of guys we have.

[Rexi]

Originally Posted by MightyJoeGibbs

I think if we had 2 bulldozing DT's and a secondary that could cover Carter would have astronomical numbers. We have to draft cover corners, and run stuffing DT's. Look what happened to the Ravens with Ngata/Gregg- well you dont hear much from TPryce yet but they may lead the league in sacks. I dunno i would like to see us go to a 3-4 if we dont draft a DT next year, they seem harder to come by because it is an unglorified position compared to LB, we have to create a pass rush w/o taking guys from the secondary to make it. the front 4 is doing a horrible job this year just as they have for the past 6 years. Adding Poseyand Mac. we should be showing glimpses of 3-4 if our only DT is Griffin. This is crazy Carter will be a bust until the secondary can cover everyone every play. If he likes it or not, what he has done this season only proves despite his amazing body/strength? that he is too undersized to play that DE and is better suited in a 3-4. His size would make him much more intimitating than D. Ware or any OLB in the league--oops forgot about Merryman. 3-4 is the way to go for the current selection of guys we have.

He was in a 3-4 last season and didn't play very well. I'm not sure that he would be any better this year.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Rexi,

Why do you come here just talk trash about Carter and Lloyd? I don't go to Chiefs' sites to complain about Rod Gardner, etc. Your comments are always welcome and I don't mean to be a jerk, but you sound really, really unnaturally bitter about Lloyd and Carter.

[MightyJoeGibbs]

Originally Posted by Rexi

He was in a 3-4 last season and didn't play very well. I'm not sure that he would be any better this year.

Im not talking about those 49er bums I mean with real players.

[Rexi]

Originally Posted by MightyJoeGibbs

Im not talking about those 49er bums I mean with real players.

You excuse poor play because he was a 49er? I say poor play is poor play, no matter what colors you wear.

[Rexi]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Rexi,

Why do you come here just talk trash about Carter and Lloyd? I don't go to Chiefs' sites to complain about Rod Gardner, etc. Your comments are always welcome and I don't mean to be a jerk, but you sound really, really unnaturally bitter about Lloyd and Carter.

Well, I'm on a lot of team's boards not just the Niner one and this one. Carter I really never had a problem with besides his poor play because he never insulted the organization or any of his teammates. Lloyd however was a locker room headache and I just really hate how the guy plays, afraid of contact. Derek Smith, who is currently a 49er is starting to irk me the same way. This season, he's just not getting after it. He's getting dragged by ball carrier and is just not being a factor. I hope he loses his starting job soon and is just a rotational player.

[SmootSmack]

Derek Smith, former Redskin, has had a pretty solid career. But he's on the tail end of it.

As for Lloyd, it really does seem like you have something personal against him Rexi. I mean I think LaVar was/is a pain in the ass teammate. Whole bunch of wasted potential, but I don't have this deep-seated rage against him. He hasn't personally done anything to me. He's not worth getting an ulcer over.

How did you get the name Rexi by the way?

[Rexi]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Derek Smith, former Redskin, has had a pretty solid career. But he's on the tail end of it.

Yeah he is, but I just don't know where this bad play has come from. I mean he was a never a game changing vicious LB but he can't even get his job done most of the time this season.

As for Lloyd, it really does seem like you have something personal against him Rexi. I mean I think LaVar was/is a pain in the ass teammate. Whole bunch of wasted potential, but I don't have this deep-seated rage against him. He hasn't personally done anything to me. He's not worth getting an ulcer over.

I'm not getting an ulcer, I just don't pull any punches when players don't play like they should in the NFL. Torry Holt, Marvin Harrison are also guys that run out of bounds, jump on the ground
etc. way too often. They're just more talented receivers than Lloyd is.

How did you get the name Rexi by the way?

Old girlfriend gave it to me. For some reason it was the first name that popped into my head when I registered.

[SmootSmack]

But I mean Lloyd isn't a 49er anymore so why does it get to you so much. You think he's ruining the integrity of the NFL, is that it?

Not even sure why I'm asking, I can't say that I really care.

[Rexi]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

But I mean Lloyd isn't a 49er anymore so why does it get to you so much. You think he's ruining the integrity of the NFL, is that it?

Not even sure why I'm asking, I can't say that I really care.

No I just call out players that don't play the way they should. It really doesn't get me. I've never even started a thread about him or anything, I made one post about how I felt about him and it exploded from there.

[4mrusmc]

This just an observation but, it seemed to me that we got from free agency alot of players that came from bad teams.... Kind of makes you think a little bit....

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

If you look around the league, there are very few teams that can consistently get pressure from the front four. Jacksonville does it. Dallas is getting better at it. The Giants are hit and miss. One week they look like the fearsome foursome and the next they mail it in. Then there is the odd single player like Freeney who can do it on their own. It seems to be getting really tough to do. I will be happy if he can play the run well. We'll get our pressure with blitzes, especially when Springs gets back. Remember too that Philip Daniels came on with a big push late last year. I'd rather have these guys save something for December.

That assumes there's something left to play for in December. Going through the motions and sub-par play in September and October makes December meaningless.

Good point though about pass rush throughout the league. I remember reading something about finding monsters along the D-line. Someone said that it's almost as difficult to find game-changers at defensive end and tackle as it is getting a franchise quarterback. I believe it.

Still, it's what sets good teams apart. Being able to pressure the quarterback without having to send nickel corners and linebackers on an all out blitz is exactly the reason we brought Carter in here. At the very least, he was supposed to open things up for Philip Daniels by drawing double teams.

No, nobody's saying we expect 5 sacks a game from the D-ends. But three games and ZERO sacks? That's a disappointment no matter how you look at it.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by jbcjr14

Once Springs comes back and the defense becomes more aggressive I think Andre will get more opportunities to pin the ears back and go. They will start overloading his side of the field with blitz packages and/or vice versa and he will get his chances.

That doesn't make any sense. Springs coming back has no impact on Carter being able to "get his chances" to hurry the quarterback. Springs' injury only negates our ability to blitz.

Carter has an opportunity to "pin his ears back" on every play right now.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

If you look around the league, there are very few teams that can consistently get pressure from the front four. Jacksonville does it. Dallas is getting better at it. The Giants are hit and miss. One week they look like the fearsome foursome and the next they mail it in. Then there is the odd single player like Freeney who can do it on their own. It seems to be getting really tough to do. I will be happy if he can play the run well. We'll get our pressure with blitzes, especially when Springs gets back. Remember too that Philip Daniels came on with a big push late last year. I'd rather have these guys save something for December.

Incidentally, Freeney has no sacks this year either. Of course, Mathis at the other end has 4.