WR McCardell considering signing with Redskins, Texans

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Well, the NFL tests for steriods. I have not heard anything lately about Lloyd getting back a positive test. And if anyone knows anything about HGH it does not put on muscle mass. That is not what it does. In most cases it burns off fat and you actually loose weight. It gives you a lean hard look. If Lloyd put on 20 pounds of muscle then he would have to be stacking some type of testosterone w/ deca, or dianabol. That stuff makes you hold water and gives you a bulky look. Kind of like how Bonds looked. Plus those types of steriods stay in your system for a long time. Over 30 days. So I doubt he is taking steriods.

Like I said he could put this weight on by training hard, eating right, drinking 3 protein shakes a day and maybe mix in some creatine.

It would not surprise me if the coaches did not give Lloyd some options at the end of last year and one was to get with the program. That and all criticism he got last year for his poor play may be what he needed to push himself harder. He did just OK with the 49er's and pretty much failed here last year and if we let him go he would find it a tough to find a starting position with another team. We will see but it seems he is starting this season on a positive note.

[MonkFan4Life]

So should we consider that Sean Taylor is suffering from anorexia because I mean the guy did lose 16 pounds.

I don't think Lloyd juiced up. The guy is an athlete. He has so many things to his disposal that we don't, and I understand that includes steroids. But seriously, he could've hired a top flight personal trainer and a dietician to get to where he is now couldn't he ?

[GusFrerotte]

Can you say Andre Reed?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by MonkFan4Life

So should we consider that Sean Taylor is suffering from anorexia because I mean the guy did lose 16 pounds.

I don't think Lloyd juiced up. The guy is an athlete. He has so many things to his disposal that we don't, and I understand that includes steroids. But seriously, he could've hired a top flight personal trainer and a dietician to get to where he is now couldn't he ?

Losing 16 pounds isn't very hard at all. It's much harder to put on 20 pounds of muscle.

Again just to clarify I'm not saying Lloyd is juicing. I was just very surprised when I saw him for the first time this year. I didn't even recognize him with the new haircut and guns. I really hope it's a change for the better.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Are you saying there's no way around the testing the NFL does? C'mon now, just because they test doesn't mean guys aren't juicing.

Of course there are ways around it. Like I said, there is no way to test for HGH or insulin. Insulin is some real powerful stuff and it can kill you if you don't know what your doing. But in order for those two to work you have to take it every day. It's a real pain in the ass. But guys can take that stuff 12 months a year and never ever get caught. But steriods are different. In order for them to work you have to run anywhere from a 8-12 week cycle. And most steriods that bulk you up, stay in your system for a long time. So that is why I doubt guys are taking steriods nowadays.

[JDALY27]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

How about you educate yourself on health and fitness before you start throwing around assumptions you can't prove. Jeez!

Ummmm, his arms more than doubled in size over 1 offseason. He used Steroids 100%. Not really going out on a limb with that one......

[mmil12]

I'd take him in a heart beat! Think about it, who would you rather have as your number four WR: Thrash or McCardell? I hate to say this because Thrash is a "Core Redskins" and as served us so well for so many years but he is more washed up then McCardell is! Lets pretend that Lloyd winds up being terrible again this year or his attitude isn't so great (realistic may I add). Who would you rather have in your three wide out sets: Moss, ARE and McCardell or Moss, ARE, and Thrash.

I know you guys are all going to say, "Thrash...blah...blah...special teams...blah...blah..." He just doesn't contribute enough to his TRUE position of WR!

Thoughts?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by JDALY27

Ummmm, his arms more than doubled in size over 1 offseason. He used Steroids 100%. Not really going out on a limb with that one......

I am not trying to insult you by any means but you are probably dead wrong. Read my previous post and that expalins it.

[MonkFan4Life]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Losing 16 pounds isn't very hard at all. It's much harder to put on 20 pounds of muscle.

Again just to clarify I'm not saying Lloyd is juicing. I was just very surprised when I saw him for the first time this year. I didn't even recognize him with the new haircut and guns. I really hope it's a change for the better.

Well I wasn't trying to point you out and if you saw it that way i apologize. No one actually said yeah he's using steroids but the more posts I read the more it seemed to become a strong consideration. I mean I hope to shit that he isn't juicing because that would be a blower but I don't know. I know it's easier to lose weight just by eating right and taking a well stacked poo you'll be good. That's what my offseason consists of, excercising and eating right so when the season comes around I have nacho's, fried chicken/fish, a whole lotta chips, sausages, and of course beer room. Vodka is year round, heavy beer drinking is saved for football !

[JDALY27]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I am not trying to insult you by any means but you are probably dead wrong. Read my previous post and that expalins it.

I'm not insulted.

Just don't see that being natural, that's all. Don't need you to agree with my opinion. Its cool.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by mmil12

I'd take him in a heart beat! Think about it, who would you rather have as your number four WR: Thrash or McCardell? I hate to say this because Thrash is a "Core Redskins" and as served us so well for so many years but he is more washed up then McCardell is! Lets pretend that Lloyd winds up being terrible again this year or his attitude isn't so great (realistic may I add). Who would you rather have in your three wide out sets: Moss, ARE and McCardell or Moss, ARE, and Thrash.

I know you guys are all going to say, "Thrash...blah...blah...special teams...blah...blah..." He just doesn't contribute enough to his TRUE position of WR!

Thoughts?

Can you name any #4 wr's in the NFL that don't play teams?? It hurts you on the roster spots if you have a #4 wr that does not play teams. A #4 wr has to be able to do more than just come in for 10 or so plays a game. No way it's going to work.

[mmil12]

I like the insurance that he gives versus what Thrash can give us when it comes to his overall WR skills. Let's face it, Moss - Hamstring issues, Lloyd- Attitude issues, ARE - totally fine, but can't do it alone, McCardell - formerly a #1 wide-out, Thrash - never better then a #2 WR and that was with he was with Philly and the number one was Freddy "alligator arms" Mitchell.

I agree with you that Thrash is an excellent special teams player, I would just rather have McCardell for the insurance at WR and honestly, I don't want to cut Espy. Moreover, the thought of carrying 6 WR's is just stupid.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by mmil12

I'd take him in a heart beat! Think about it, who would you rather have as your number four WR: Thrash or McCardell? I hate to say this because Thrash is a "Core Redskins" and as served us so well for so many years but he is more washed up then McCardell is! Lets pretend that Lloyd winds up being terrible again this year or his attitude isn't so great (realistic may I add). Who would you rather have in your three wide out sets: Moss, ARE and McCardell or Moss, ARE, and Thrash.

I know you guys are all going to say, "Thrash...blah...blah...special teams...blah...blah..." He just doesn't contribute enough to his TRUE position of WR!

Thoughts?

How is Thrash more washed up than McCardell? Thrash is five years younger than him.

[mmil12]

Numbers don't lie...here are the last three years for both players. Does this explain why McCardell would be a better receiver then Thrash? McCardell has almost as many reception last year as thrash has had the last three years combined.

Thrash:
2004 WAS 17 203 11.9 0
2005 WAS 14 194 13.9 0
2006 WAS 12 151 12.6 1

McCardell:
2004 SDG 31 393 12.7 1
2005 SDG 70 917 13.1 9
2006 SDG 36 437 12.1 1

[jdlea]

Here's something to chew on:

I put on over 50 lbs in about 4 months (the majority of which is fat). However, if I ever decided to work out, I could probably shed that and turn it into at least 20 lbs of muscle.