Is Brady Quinn Being Selfish By Holding Out?

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

He thinks he's the franchise QB. I mean, it's completely subjective whether or not you think the Browns took him for value (like the Pack did with Rodgers), or to be the franchise QB (like we did with Campbell), but if hes going to be the starting QB for many years, hes going to want to be paid like one.

I think teams are being more cautious now in the wake of guys like Heath Shuler, Tim Couch, ummmm...what's his face...San Diego? Yeah, Ryan Leaf!!! So there's no guarantee a guy is a franchise QB until he becomes a franchise QB.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I think teams are being more cautious now in the wake of guys like Heath Shuler, Tim Couch, ummmm...what's his face...San Diego? Yeah, Ryan Leaf!!! So there's no guarantee a guy is a franchise QB until he becomes a franchise QB.

QB projection system!

Which admittenly is irrelevant given the general ignorance of the system around the league (Save Philly). Still, the Packers could make your argument with Rogers since he fell into their laps. The Browns gave up a lot to get Quinn, and they obviously value him.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

QB projection system!

Which admittenly is irrelevant given the general ignorance of the system around the league (Save Philly). Still, the Packers could make your argument with Rogers since he fell into their laps. The Browns gave up a lot to get Quinn, and they obviously value him.

See, I knew I made the right choice by picking you as talent evaluator.But still, the Packers have a Hall of Famer in front of Rodgers, that's the difference. So to some extent, we're talking apples and oranges with those situations.

[Crat92]

Quinn is being stupid. I mean come on..........it is what it is! 22nd pick, 22nd money. Plain and simple. The browns wouldn't have this problem if they would have drafted Troy Smith!

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Crat92

Quinn is being stupid. I mean come on..........it is what it is! 22nd pick, 22nd money. Plain and simple. The browns wouldn't have this problem if they would have drafted Troy Smith!

But then they would have a QB that isn't really a NFL prospect instead of a potential franchise cornerstone. That's a lot worse.

[Crat92]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

But then they would have a QB that isn't really a NFL prospect instead of a potential franchise cornerstone. That's a lot worse.

How is that worse? Why is he a potential franchise cornerstone, and Troy Smith isn't? Is it because he played for Charlie Wiess? The guy hasn't won squat! It's not too difficult to play that cupcake ND schedule and put up numbers. Troy Smith is a winner, and a hometown kid who wanted to go to Cleveland. He would be in camp.
As I recall, Ryan Leaf was a potential franchise cornerstone too.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Crat92

How is that worse? Why is he a potential franchise cornerstone, and Troy Smith isn't? Is it because he played for Charlie Wiess? The guy hasn't won squat! It's not too difficult to play that cupcake ND schedule and put up numbers. Troy Smith is a winner, and a hometown kid who wanted to go to Cleveland. He would be in camp.
As I recall, Ryan Leaf was a potential franchise cornerstone too.

Quinn's going to be good. I think he'll be very good. Some think he'll never reach the pro bowl level, and thats more than reasonable. But I have to question your knowledge of the game if you are comparing Brady Quinn to Ryan Leaf. There are no similarities.

You're essentially saying that the last pick of the 5th round is a better prospect than a guy who up until 3 days before the draft was neck and neck for the first pick. As the saying goes "you're off your rocker!"

Do I know for certain that Troy Smith won't be the next Donovan McNabb? No, I do not. Can I be more than reasonably sure that he's not the prospect Quinn is? Yes, yes I can.

And what's with this "winner" crap? Are you saying that if the Ravens put Troy Smith in at QB, they will automatically beat up on teams like Ohio State did because...Troy Smith has an aura?! Dude, that's non-analysis at its best.

[Crat92]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Quinn's going to be good. I think he'll be very good. Some think he'll never reach the pro bowl level, and thats more than reasonable. But I have to question your knowledge of the game if you are comparing Brady Quinn to Ryan Leaf. There are no similarities.

You're essentially saying that the last pick of the 5th round is a better prospect than a guy who up until 3 days before the draft was neck and neck for the first pick. As the saying goes "you're off your rocker!"

Do I know for certain that Troy Smith won't be the next Donovan McNabb? No, I do not. Can I be more than reasonably sure that he's not the prospect Quinn is? Yes, yes I can.

And what's with this "winner" crap? Are you saying that if the Ravens put Troy Smith in at QB, they will automatically beat up on teams like Ohio State did because...Troy Smith has an aura?! Dude, that's non-analysis at its best.

GTripp I respect your oppinion, but that's all it is........YOUR oppinion.
You have yours and I have mine.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Crat92

How is that worse? Why is he a potential franchise cornerstone, and Troy Smith isn't? Is it because he played for Charlie Wiess? The guy hasn't won squat! It's not too difficult to play that cupcake ND schedule and put up numbers. Troy Smith is a winner, and a hometown kid who wanted to go to Cleveland. He would be in camp.
As I recall, Ryan Leaf was a potential franchise cornerstone too.

I understand your argument here and I think Smith probably should have gone a little bitter higher than he did, but while you compare Quinn to Leaf. Troy Smith reminds a whole hell of a lot of Eric Crouch. Smith is hands down a better passer, but he's got to get out of the pocket to do that well at this level.

You also referred to ND's schedule as cupcakes...I agree, but I would contend that Michigan was the only real test OSU faced until they got destroyed by Florida. The SEC comes as close to pro ball speed as any conference in college football and the cream of the crop of that group make Troy Smith look like a JV quarterback. I think that's the major indictment of the kid.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by jdlea

I understand your argument here and I think Smith probably should have gone a little bitter higher than he did, but while you compare Quinn to Leaf. Troy Smith reminds a whole hell of a lot of Eric Crouch. Smith is hands down a better passer, but he's got to get out of the pocket to do that well at this level.

You also referred to ND's schedule as cupcakes...I agree, but I would contend that Michigan was the only real test OSU faced until they got destroyed by Florida. The SEC comes as close to pro ball speed as any conference in college football and the cream of the crop of that group make Troy Smith look like a JV quarterback. I think that's the major indictment of the kid.

The SEC can make ANY QB look bad.

Truth is, a good evaluator would have had Quinn locked as the number one QB on his draft board prior to the Sugar Bowl. LSU was easily a top three team in the nation, possibly even the team with the most talent, and they were pretty significantly more talented at ND. It's very frusterating to think that the majority of NFL analysts couldn't look at the game for what it was; two teams of uneven talent playing a "big game", in which the outcome was nearly predetermined. Instead it became an indictment on Brady Quinn, because for some bizarre reason, he was expected to win that game.

But I guess theres a reason why the same bad teams tend to stay bad year after year in the NFL while the same half of the league goes deep into the playoffs every season, Saints excepted.

[Paintrain]

This notion of he's a Top 10 talent is ridiculous. He was drafted 22nd overall and should be paid accordingly. Cleveland is somewhat over the barrel because they can't just say 'screw you, here's our offer, call us when you're ready to accept' because they gave up next year's #1 and the fans would crucify them if they did that for nothing.

That being said, if you think you are that talented, think you are that much of a stud, think you are 'that guy' then load that contract with incentives, play to your talent, cash in and either re-sign for the long haul or bounce out at the end of your deal.

[sandman89]

Dam that sukz

[sandman89]

Quinn better be worth it

[offiss]

The reality with Quinn is he was the benefactor of a pro style offense, with an offensive guru guiding him, and the offense to success, that is why teams passed on him, Quinn is not the second coming of any known great QB, this is not a player who's going to put a team on his back. He should look for a big pay day before the book is out on him, I don't think he will be any thing special.