f...gibbs

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by jdlea

See, the problem with this is that paints people with too broad a brush. I'm not in the "F"/"Fire" anybody group, however, I am upset about the loss and would like to discuss the reasons why I am upset on the site that I frequent. I said that this team looked like the Norv era Skins because they did yesterday. I agree with your general sentiment, but there seem to be a number of groups within the people who are complaining about the loss. At least a few people think this is an example of why Gibbs can't win and the team won't be good. Others, like myself, believe yesterday was a blip on the radar, but it could have easily been prevented. I don't want anyone fired. I think this team is heading in the right direction and they will continue to improve because Campbell will continue to improve.

I would not have been happy if they won in OT yesterday, I would have been happy about 3-0, but I'd be pissed that it got that far. I think there are some people who take these things to the extremes, but to act like we shouldn't still be talking about the game the day after it occurred is a little unrealistic, especially considering they don't play again for 2 weeks.

Fair points. I didn't mean to attack everyone who had something negative to say about some aspect of the game. I also tried, in a subsequent post, to clarify that my post was not directed towards those who make their points calmly and with some serious thought/analysis. My post was solely aimed at those who have nothing meaningful to add to these discussions.

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Seems that those that complain the most after a loss typically have nothing to say after a win. I swear some people just relish a loss so they can play armchair GM/Coach/QB all week.

I like to play armchair GM/Coach/QB no matter what. (I'm not talking like you directed this towards me, and I don't think you did, but I'm just saying) It's part of being a fan. I love football to death. I mean what else would we do... "We're awesome", and "We suck". Is about all that would come out.

I'm particularly vocal about yesterdays lost because I'm home sick. Like not home-sick, but home... ill. Yeah.

Nasty flu bug hit me, and I haven't been able to sleep, eat much, or ...uhh.. retain fluids very well. I'm debating missing my second day of work, not because I'm still violently ill, but because some people I've been hanging out with have contracted it from me. I guess I'll just go to work and tell them to make the call.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by jdlea

See, the problem with this is that paints people with too broad a brush. I'm not in the "F"/"Fire" anybody group, however, I am upset about the loss and would like to discuss the reasons why I am upset on the site that I frequent. I said that this team looked like the Norv era Skins because they did yesterday. I agree with your general sentiment, but there seem to be a number of groups within the people who are complaining about the loss. At least a few people think this is an example of why Gibbs can't win and the team won't be good. Others, like myself, believe yesterday was a blip on the radar, but it could have easily been prevented. I don't want anyone fired. I think this team is heading in the right direction and they will continue to improve because Campbell will continue to improve.

I would not have been happy if they won in OT yesterday, I would have been happy about 3-0, but I'd be pissed that it got that far. I think there are some people who take these things to the extremes, but to act like we shouldn't still be talking about the game the day after it occurred is a little unrealistic, especially considering they don't play again for 2 weeks.

Well, I think (and SGG alluded to this) it's perfectly ok to be upset and be critical. And there's been some good discussion here no doubt, if you filter through the b.s. But rational critiques is all we're asking for.

To blame a fumble on playcalling is not rational, to say F Gibbs is not rational, to claim the Patriots have a killer mentality but then not acknowledge their balanced attack against the chargers or how they didn't throw more deep passes than the Redskins yesterday (just completed more) is not rational, to praise the Cowboys for getting TO involved in the offense with short passes but then rip on the Redskins for doing the same with Moss ("dink and dunk" as people like to call it) is not rational.

To completely disregard our two wins this year (including one on the road against a division opponent) and act like there is no hope left is not at all rational. And quite honestly, I wish those people would just go away. The "I have no faith in this team and I'm going to bitch and moan about it after every loss, but when they win I'll just disappear or I'll jump on the bandwagon" act is tired.

[The Zimmermans]

most people on the site have good input...which is saying a lot considering 5-11 last year and this LOSS

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Fair points. I didn't mean to attack everyone who had something negative to say about some aspect of the game. I also tried, in a subsequent post, to clarify that my post was not directed towards those who make their points calmly and with some serious thought/analysis. My post was solely aimed at those who have nothing meaningful to add to these discussions.

I understand that and my thought in the post was to try to get you to clarify that and make clear my stance. I figured your post was not a slap at everyone. I had a similar conversation to this with a friend of mine earlier about how ridiculous these "jump off a building" Skins fans are. It was one loss that shouldn't have happened and as long as it's not a harbinger of things to come then it's not a big deal. However, I think some people see this as an indication of that Skins team that beats all the right teams and loses to all the wrong ones. I have to admit that I'm nervous about that, but still optimistic that this team will not be like that one.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well, I think (and SGG alluded to this) it's perfectly ok to be upset and be critical. And there's been some good discussion here no doubt, if you filter through the b.s. But rational critiques is all we're asking for.

To blame a fumble on playcalling is not rational, to say F Gibbs is not rational, to claim the Patriots have a killer mentality but then not acknowledge their balanced attack against the chargers or how they didn't throw more deep passes than the Redskins yesterday (just completed more) is not rational, to praise the Cowboys for getting TO involved in the offense with short passes but then rip on the Redskins for doing the same with Moss ("dink and dunk" as people like to call it) is not rational.

To completely disregard our two wins this year (including one on the road against a division opponent) and act like there is no hope left is not at all rational. And quite honestly, I wish those people would just go away. The "I have no faith in this team and I'm going to bitch and moan about it after every loss, but when they win I'll just disappear or I'll jump on the bandwagon" act is tired.

We should have faith after a 2-0 start. Like I said, I think pretty much anyone on this site would have been just fine knowing before week 1 that we would take a 2-1 record into the bye.

A 2-1 start should not cause anyone to start screaming for anyone to be fired. But I simply have to see more production from this offense. All I heard all week after the Philly game was how much JC was growing up right before our eyes, blah blah blah. Yet we barely threw in the 2nd half (unless it was 3rd and long or the very end of the game) against a team that had been victimized by the pass horribly in the first two weeks. 17 points a week ain't gonna cut it. Is it too much to ask for a team to score 3 TDs in a game every once in a while? We have weapons galore on offense and we're paying Saunders more than a lot of head coaches....

[redskinsfanatic]

i think it's wrong to say f@@* joe gibbs regardless of circumstances.think what you will,be he deserves that much respect.he's forgotten more about life and football than most of us will ever know.chalk up the loss to inexperience to jason campbell rushing things at the end.i bet they'll be practicing that when they go back to practice next week!

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by GMScud

We should have faith after a 2-0 start. Like I said, I think pretty much anyone on this site would have been just fine knowing before week 1 that we would take a 2-1 record into the bye.

A 2-1 start should not cause anyone to start screaming for anyone to be fired. But I simply have to see more production from this offense. All I heard all week after the Philly game was how much JC was growing up right before our eyes, blah blah blah. Yet we barely threw in the 2nd half (unless it was 3rd and long or the very end of the game) against a team that had been victimized by the pass horribly in the first two weeks. 17 points a week ain't gonna cut it. Is it too much to ask for a team to score 3 TDs in a game every once in a while? We have weapons galore on offense and we're paying Saunders more than a lot of head coaches....

I agree 100%. As I stated above, however, I think there is definately cause for optimism. The offense is nowhere near as consistent as we'd like it to be, but it's clear that JC gives us a playmaking ability that we haven't seen at QB in decades. Whether he will become a consistent playmaker is another question, but when JC is in the game I feel like we have a chance to do just about anything and that we are almost always in the game. I haven't seen so many deep balls (whether completed or not) in years and I'm psyched to see what this offense will do once JC gets more experience.

[redskinsfanatic]

go back and look,it took two years each for theismann,williams,and rypien to take the skins to the superbowl.i figure it may take campbell a little longer since he has to learn al saunders playbook.i love the skins,always will,but there is no way in hell that they are going to the superbowl this year as a contestant.they should make the playoffs however.

[JWsleep]

It may be useful to watch Gibbs press conference from today--he spoke a lot about the decision on the goal line, what was called, why it was called, etc. He also talks about the play calling in the 2nd half. Make you own decisions--some will find it re-assuring; others, no doubt, will think it's more of the same.

Washington Redskins

[holcknowsbest]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

It was not a muffed handoff. That fumble was 100% on CP. Portis clinched down on the ball with his hands. You never ever do that on hand offs. You let the QB place the ball in your gut. Football 101. This is the stuff you do over and over again in practice, minicamps, OTA's and so on. Oh yeah, CP didn't participate in any of that stuff. He's too good for that.

Look, I'm not making this a Portis/Betts thing. CP is the better player. But I'm not going to sit here and make excuses for the guy like you are. When he screws up he deserves to get ripped. He screwed up yesterday and as a veteran he should not makes those mistakes.

man i hate calling you out all the time but your perspective stinks. portis didnt think he was too good for that, gibbs did if anyone. and you are making it a cp/betts thing because you dont know the redskins personel. you think portis gets tackled on 3rd and goal, no way, betts doesnt have a nose for the endzone...portis does....the argument is alot deeper, i will get deeper if you continue to think portis doesnt get in.

you said shotgun and pass earlier would have been your call? well again you dont know the redskins then. they went to what they think they do best and thats power running with a play action mixed in. by the way saunders let everyone know that we have touchdown to cooley on the play action play call. shotgun pass is not what we do best or have the personel to do at the goaline...our wr are good in space but not jump balls or positioning in tight quarters. if we ever line up in shotgun at the 1 it will be a designed JC run....KNOW YOUR TEAM!!!!!!!! or stick with the patriots who you are obviously gay for.

[JWsleep]

The play is over. Calm down.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by holcknowsbest

man i hate calling you out all the time but your perspective stinks. portis didnt think he was too good for that, gibbs did if anyone. and you are making it a cp/betts thing because you dont know the redskins personel. you think portis gets tackled on 3rd and goal, no way, betts doesnt have a nose for the endzone...portis does....the argument is alot deeper, i will get deeper if you continue to think portis doesnt get in.

you said shotgun and pass earlier would have been your call? well again you dont know the redskins then. they went to what they think they do best and thats power running with a play action mixed in. by the way saunders let everyone know that we have touchdown to cooley on the play action play call. shotgun pass is not what we do best or have the personel to do at the goaline...our wr are good in space but not jump balls or positioning in tight quarters. if we ever line up in shotgun at the 1 it will be a designed JC run....KNOW YOUR TEAM!!!!!!!! or stick with the patriots who you are obviously gay for.

Dude, your a complete fool. Portis would not have made it in. Saying Betts does not have a nose for the endzone is just stupid. Bugel even said so. He sees the guy up close every single day. He said that Betts can slam it there in short yardage just as good as Portis. Where Portis excels is in open field.

Dumbass, Shotgun on first down would have been just fine. Throw it in the endzone on 1st down. That way it's either incomplete, or a TD. Then go under center 2nd 3rd and 4th down.

And I'm not gay for the Pats. Your probably gay for Portis.

[SmootSmack]

Are you guys done?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Are you guys done?

Sorry Smoot. I should know better but that a-hole started it. He thinks he's smarter than everyone and he doesn't know shit. I'm done with it.