I guess Romo's contract extension

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Most of JC's big completions have come on bombs. There's been a few nice YAC gains such as Randle El's 4th down scamper last week but for the most part it's been BOMBS AWAY!

And how.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by TheBigD

YPP does not mean "deep ball" threat. If you throw a screen pass and your RB takes it for 15 or 20 yards, it is all the RB, not the QB. Those stats are not as accurate as you might think. A west coast offense will have a better completion %, but a bad YPP.

I mean I don't know if you have watched the games or what, but he most definitely has had a HELL of a touch on his deep balls. I would say he probably completes 60-70% of his passes twenty yards plus downfield.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I mean I don't know if you have watched the games or what, but he most definitely has had a HELL of a touch on his deep balls. I would say he probably completes 60-70% of his passes twenty yards plus downfield.

I'm sure that stat is out there if someone knows where to look.

[TheBigD]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Jeez this shouldn't be that hard. By big completion I mean a big play, of say 20 yards or more of which he has 11 this year, and he also has 4 completions of 40+.

Ok, one of them was that ball ARE caught off the deflection in the last seconds, so that is just 3. So, for the first 4 games, he has 3 completions of 40+, how does that make him a deep passers? I keep saying, he does have the arm, no doubt, but he is inaccurate.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by TheBigD

Ok, one of them was that ball ARE caught off the deflection in the last seconds, so that is just 3. So, for the first 4 games, he has 3 completions of 40+, how does that make him a deep passers? I keep saying, he does have the arm, no doubt, but he is inaccurate.

Why does one not count??

Why don't you just stick to watching Dallas.

You're totally missing my point. You tried making some point about yards per attempt not meaning much because of yards gained after the catch, I simply countered by saying in Campbell's case he has hit his fair share of deep balls and his YPA is legit, not full of runs after the catch. He has 15 completions of 20 yards or more so far.

This offense is one that is based on taking deep shots and it's nothing like a west coast system that depends on short throws turned into long gains by the receivers.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by TheBigD

I do, since I live in the DC area, I have no choice. Sometime it is the only game on TV. I did not say he doesn't have the arm to throw it, I have seen him over throw many time. I am just saying he is inaccurate. So what! ESPN said JC has a good arm, well move over John, Joe, and Brett. How come when ESPN says Romo is good, everyone in here says they are not right, but when they say JC has a good arm, they are pretty accurate and credible?

He has missed some deep balls, but he's connected with several as well.
About him being accurate. Well, I think he could be better, but this is the pot calling the kettle black. Campbell's comp% is 59.3%, Romo's is 59.1%. So if Campbell is inaccurate, so is Romo.

Weren't you the one who said that Gibbs supports his players and would stick with them. If Gibbs does take him out or run the ball, how is that going to help his psyche? How is that going to toughen up your QB and make him believe everything is possible and to never give up. Wade stuck with Romo and they ended up winning, who knows what would have happened if Brad Johnson was in the game.

I don't think I was the one that said that, but I do think he supports his players. He does not support blatent incompetance though. I have trouble thinking he'd keep someone in that had 6 turnovers. 4 sure...but I doubt 6.
You seem to keep implying that Romo won the game for them, and that can't be farther from the truth. Your kicker won the game for you, and Romo did his best to lose the game for you. The other 21 players on the field won the game for you. The 11 on d, and the other 10 on offense. Romo did next to nothing to win that game on the whole.
I know you want to think Romo did that last 2 drives, and technically, he did well on those two stretches, but you can't ignore ALL the other drives of the game.
For all this, I still say he's not as good as people think he is. People think he's a top 3 or 4 QB, and he's barely a top 10-15, when it comes to total talent. I feel we're going to start to see him come back to earth.
I will say this, if he carves up the Patriots, I'll change my tune about him. But I expect at least 2 int's from him, and the Cowboys will lose.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

If 5 weeks was enough to decide who the pro bowl QBs should be, we'd have to put David Garrard on the AFC roster ahead of palmer.

Not to nit pick, but Garrard still wouldn't make the roster.

Brady, 1383 yards, 16 tds, 2 ints
Manning, 1319 yards, 10 tds, 2 ints
Anderson, 1251 yards, 11 tds, 8 ints
Palmer, 1171 yards, 10 tds, 6 ints
Roethlisberger, 1013 yards, 9 tds, 3 ints
Garrard, 848 yards, 4 tds, 0 ints.

Not sure who he would push out there, he needs to put up better numbers to be considered. Garrard is not making mistakes, but he's not playing the game to win either, he's playing not to lose. (not that there is anything wrong with that if it works, but it's rare that conservative QB's with low numbers make the pro bowl)

[TheBigD]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Why does one not count??

because it was the one batted down by Jason Taylor near the end-zone against Miami in the last seconds and ARE just happened to be there. That wasn't exactly how JC intended the pass to be.

Why don't you just stick to watching Dallas.

LOL, I wish, but I live near DC and I am stuck watching the Redskins as well.

You're totally missing my point. You tried making some point about yards per attempt not meaning much because of yards gained after the catch, I simply countered by saying in Campbell's case he has hit his fair share of deep balls and his YPA is legit, not full of runs after the catch. He has 15 completions of 20 yards or more so far.

I never said he doesn't have the arm or can't throw it, I said he is inaccurate on his deep throws. He has his share of deep balls, but he sure has missed open players by over-throwing them.

This offense is one that is based on taking deep shots and it's nothing like a west coast system that depends on short throws turned into long gains by the receivers.

If you read my earlier posts, you will see that I've said the same thing.

[12thMan]

This thread is totally wrecking my "Hate on the Packers week!" I know, if you don't like it don't post. I'm just saying..

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by TheBigD

Ok, one of them was that ball ARE caught off the deflection in the last seconds, so that is just 3. So, for the first 4 games, he has 3 completions of 40+, how does that make him a deep passers? I keep saying, he does have the arm, no doubt, but he is inaccurate.

I asked you earlier, what are you basing this on? I definitely have seen him miss maybe THREE passes tops down field all season...

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by TheBigD

Ok, one of them was that ball ARE caught off the deflection in the last seconds, so that is just 3. So, for the first 4 games, he has 3 completions of 40+, how does that make him a deep passers? I keep saying, he does have the arm, no doubt, but he is inaccurate.

D, i'm all for different view points, but you are simply wrong. You say you're stuck watching 'Skins games? Good, come back from the Dark Side. If you've seen these games you should be commenting on how accurate JC has been on the deep ball. We're not only basing our judgements of his downfield accuracy on regular season, he also connected on some nice deep throws in preseason. Before you type it, let me answer it. Yes it was preseason but we're judging deep throws on accuracy alone, that doesn't get affected by any coverage or personnel. When he has missed, it's been a touch too long and by touch I mean 2 or 3 steps.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

AND those misses have been few and far between...

If you also read the articles talking about JC, you'll see how they mention how accurate he IS on deep passes. If there's anything he's inaccurate on, which is also documented in said articles, it's his short to intermediate game.

[TheBigD]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

.....accurate JC has been on the deep ball. We're not only basing our judgements of his downfield accuracy on regular season, he also connected on some nice ...

Thank you, it is just your judgement against mine. One of us is right and the other is wrong.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by TheBigD

I never said he doesn't have the arm or can't throw it, I said he is inaccurate on his deep throws. He has his share of deep balls, but he sure has missed open players by over-throwing them.

You also said he was inaccurate, and I proved he's actually slightly more accurate than Romo (by .2%). SO I am failing to see your point.
Why argue about his accuracy when he's more accurate than the self dubbed savour of the Cowboys?

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by TheBigD

Thank you, it is just your judgement against mine. One of us is right and the other is wrong.

Suggestion.....why don't you two just agree to disagree and leave it at that? The irony of this whole debate is this is a Redskins fan board, but if you look at the thread with the most reads, it is this one that is titled for Tony Romo, a Dallas Cowboy.

That is kinda like what Larry the Cable guy says...."It's like wipin before you crap.......it just don't make sense".