SI Ranks Offensive Backfields

Originally Posted by dall-assblows

DALLASSSS #3?????


........well theres proof of them being AMERICAS FAVORITE Team. marion barber is good, but defintely not THAT good. and romo is...........well he's romo. MR. HIGHS/lows.

Im sorry but you got me

You actually think they rated the Cowboys #3 because they are Americas Favorite Team?

Romo even with his up and down play at times is a top 10 QB in the NFL. The Cowboys RB trio of Barber, Jones, and Choice is probably the best trio in the league.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Like Orakpo I don't agree with all the rankings, and could see the skins move up a few spots. But I can't argue with a lot of the rankings. That said, a lot of mention of offensive lines in the article. If we're factoring in O-lines, I feel like the list makes more sense.

Agreed 100%, the performance of any skill player relies on the OL. Early in 2008 our OL played great and was healthy, JC & CP lit it up. Second half injuries/age/poor play by the OL killed the whole offense. To blame JC is to ignore that Portis' numbers were dismal also.

These lists are pretty much a waste of storage and webspace. Just something to generate web-hits and kill time until Training Camp.

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Agreed 100%, the performance of any skill player relies on the OL. Early in 2008 our OL played great and was healthy, JC & CP lit it up. Second half injuries/age/poor play by the OL killed the whole offense. To blame JC is to ignore that Portis' numbers were dismal also.

These lists are pretty much a waste of storage and webspace. Just something to generate web-hits and kill time until Training Camp.

When did Campbell light it up in the 1st half? Portis played great but I wouldnt go out on a limb and say Campbell lit it up also. He played solid managing the game but their was only 3 games last year where I thought Campbell actually played great (one of them was in Detroit).

While I agree the OL is key to skill players success I also think the OL wasnt the only reason why the team fell apart in the 2nd half of 08. Injuries were a factor near the very end of the season but the injuries imo didnt have anything to do with the Skins problems for the most part of the 2nd half. The age factor I dont think factors in because they were old when they were playing well. It wasnt like the line got old overnight.

The poor play was the whole offense not just the line. Many times last year I saw Campbell make a bad throw when he had enough time in the pocket. The slight problem I have with Portis is that he needs the offensive line to play great to make plays. If the line has even a slight problem he seems to become a different RB. I still think Portis is a damn good RB but his play gets on my nerves at times.

Overall I think the whole offense in general had problems last year. Campbell, Portis. the WRs, Cooley, and the offensive line. In the 2nd half the Skins regressed as a whole and honestly the biggest reason was Jim Zorn and his inability to adapt to what the defense is doing.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Wow, I can't fathom either statement. Regardless of the JC's standing, CP ran for nearly 1500 yds, had a combined total around 1800. He is under 30, and will be elite for atleast this year, probably next. For this ranking to be right, you would have to have JC like 56th out of the 32...

Is it September yet.

Yeah I agree with you. Although I am not yet 100% sold on JC as being the guy to lead us to a SB, he did end up 13th in passing last season. Not Pro Bowl necessarily, but definitely solid starter material, especially for what he has to work with. I am concerned about CP though. He is taking real punishment now, and I am worried he will go the way of Stephen Davis. We really screwed both of these guys with not addressing the O line deficiencies from last season. Clinton is going to get hammered and JC is going to be running for his life. Orakpo is great, but unless we really get a substantial lift in the turnover ratio with good field position to boot, we really aren't going to improve all that much in terms of wins and losses. Our offense will mirror that of last year. I wouldn't put too much stock in those rook WR's of last season either. They will improve, but that is because they sucked so bad last year that improving is all they can do.

[wilsowilso]

We have ventured into the vast desert of the NFL offseason.
The path ahead looks bleak. An ocean of sand stretches to the horizon in all directions.
But we have traveled this mighty desert many times before.
The next NFL season is out there.
Waiting.

[SBXVII]

The Thought: Campbell isn't as good as either of those two. And Portis is going into his eighth season. That's too much heavy lifting for high-volume legs.

I think this is the funniest part. LOL. Campbell's not as good as either.....but he was the league leading QB last yr for the first 8 games. and if I'm not mistaken he was above them percentage wise. Hmmmm. So let me see.....Campbell who with protection, plays better then them, or two other QB's who produced similar results by the end of the season statistically? Those other two are not upgrades they would simply be lateral moves for us.

I guess anyone can write whatever they want even if it's BS and as long as it's different from what others are saying or puts Dallas or the Eagles at the top then it's golden.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Yeah I agree with you. Although I am not yet 100% sold on JC as being the guy to lead us to a SB, he did end up 13th in passing last season. Not Pro Bowl necessarily, but definitely solid starter material, especially for what he has to work with. I am concerned about CP though. He is taking real punishment now, and I am worried he will go the way of Stephen Davis. We really screwed both of these guys with not addressing the O line deficiencies from last season. Clinton is going to get hammered and JC is going to be running for his life. Orakpo is great, but unless we really get a substantial lift in the turnover ratio with good field position to boot, we really aren't going to improve all that much in terms of wins and losses. Our offense will mirror that of last year. I wouldn't put too much stock in those rook WR's of last season either. They will improve, but that is because they sucked so bad last year that improving is all they can do.

I agree with you. I think another part of our problem is we are kinda one demensional in the RB department. Most teams know now that they need a 2 back system. No problem we have that. However I think with our back field we have two similar style of runners, both are between the tackle runners...pounding the ball. They do not have the speed to get outside and get yardage. Portis has not been used as a receiving out of the back field RB but on few occassions to include screens. I believe most teams know then if we run the ball it's going to be between the tackles so all they have to worry about is stopping the run up the middle and worry more about the pass plays.

I think or maybe perhaps the team is hoping with picking up a change of pace back like Alridge then teams have to worry about him either running inside, outside, or even catching passes out of the back field. In college he was used in this capacity. Putting both Portis and Alridge in the back field would create a headache for teams having to figure out fast enough who's getting the ball and adjusting for that particular runner.

[#56fanatic]

I was looking over the rankings, and I wouldn't put Jason and Clinton much higher. Look at all the QB's that are higher, then the RB's. break them down seperately. Most of the QB's are better, and the teams with so-so QB's or not so good QB's have legit RB's. (vikings)

Hey, you have to have a few good seasons to have any respect. Jason has yet to do anything remarkable, and CP, although a work horse, didn't have a great year last year. His YPC is way down, actually below league minimum I believe.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

When did Campbell light it up in the 1st half? Portis played great but I wouldnt go out on a limb and say Campbell lit it up also. He played solid managing the game but their was only 3 games last year where I thought Campbell actually played great (one of them was in Detroit).

While I agree the OL is key to skill players success I also think the OL wasnt the only reason why the team fell apart in the 2nd half of 08. Injuries were a factor near the very end of the season but the injuries imo didnt have anything to do with the Skins problems for the most part of the 2nd half. The age factor I dont think factors in because they were old when they were playing well. It wasnt like the line got old overnight.

The poor play was the whole offense not just the line. Many times last year I saw Campbell make a bad throw when he had enough time in the pocket. The slight problem I have with Portis is that he needs the offensive line to play great to make plays. If the line has even a slight problem he seems to become a different RB. I still think Portis is a damn good RB but his play gets on my nerves at times.

Overall I think the whole offense in general had problems last year. Campbell, Portis. the WRs, Cooley, and the offensive line. In the 2nd half the Skins regressed as a whole and honestly the biggest reason was Jim Zorn and his inability to adapt to what the defense is doing.

I think we all are talking partial truths. I agree in saying Campbell was not playing lights out, but he was the QB with the highest % and least (I think zero) interceptions. So no he did not put up 4-6 TD's a game or put up like 40-50 points per game, but he did somewhat manage the game well. Even though his 2min. drill sucks. Hopefully he fixes that this yr. Also it was no coincidence that he started doing terrible when the O-line broke down. So yes both heavily rely on the O-line, but I would assume all those teams would heavily rely on their O-lines also.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Brian Orakpo

When did Campbell light it up in the 1st half? Portis played great but I wouldnt go out on a limb and say Campbell lit it up also. He played solid managing the game but their was only 3 games last year where I thought Campbell actually played great (one of them was in Detroit).

Saints 24-36-321 1-0
Cards 22-30-193 2-0
Cowgirls 20-31-231 2-1
Eagles 16-29-176 0-0
Rams 18-26-208 0-0 (3 Skins fumbles in Rams territory)
Browns 14-23-164 1-0
Lions 23-28-328 1-0

Out of the first 8 games I'd say he lit it up in 4 and played well in the rest, except for the Giants game.

While I agree the OL is key to skill players success I also think the OL wasnt the only reason why the team fell apart in the 2nd half of 08. Injuries were a factor near the very end of the season but the injuries imo didnt have anything to do with the Skins problems for the most part of the 2nd half. The age factor I dont think factors in because they were old when they were playing well. It wasnt like the line got old overnight.

The injuries and poor play were most likely due to the age of the OL.

In the 2nd half the Skins regressed as a whole and honestly the biggest reason was Jim Zorn and his inability to adapt to what the defense is doing.

Ever try to call plays with an inneffective OL? Not sure what you wanted Zorn to do.

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Saints 24-36-321 1-0
Cards 22-30-193 2-0
Cowgirls 20-31-231 2-1
Eagles 16-29-176 0-0
Rams 18-26-208 0-0 (3 Skins fumbles in Rams territory)
Browns 14-23-164 1-0
Lions 23-28-328 1-0

Out of the first 8 games I'd say he lit it up in 4 and played well in the rest, except for the Giants game.

He played well in the Eagles, Rams, and Browns games? Id say he played average at best and thats being nice. If you throw in the Saints game ill agree he lit it up in 4 games and not 3.

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

The injuries and poor play were most likely due to the age of the OL.

Maybe the injuries were but the poor play was mainly dude to the fact the teams we played were better than us.

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Ever try to call plays with an inneffective OL? Not sure what you wanted Zorn to do.

The OL did struggle at times but Zorn should of changed his playcalling after he realized teams knew what he was doing. After the first Eagles game the offense slumped (except for one game in Detroit). Teams locked onto what Zorn was doing and he didnt adjust. The OL wasnt bad enough where Zorn couldnt mix some things up to get some pressure off of the OL.

Im banking on Zorn with a year under his belt calling plays to be more effective. If hes not he wont have a job in Washington after this season.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Chad Pennington, Ronnie Brown -- Absolutely a better combo.
Flacco, McClain/McGahee -- In my opinion, about equal.
Schaub, Slaton -- We have the slight edge on them.
Rosenfels, Peterson -- Rosenfels isn't good, but AP is the best in the league, so I can see why he's ahead of them.
K. Collins, Chris Johnson -- I'd rank them ahead of our guys.
S. Hill, Gore - We're better than Hill and Gore.
Tampa's mess - We're better than Tampa.
Orton, Moreno - Orton is probably better than JC, but MOreno is a total question mark, Id have to put us as better.
Sanchez/Clemens, Jones/Washington - We're about even here, having us slightly ahead. Jones led the AFC in rushing last year, but Sanchez/Clemens are too wild cardish.

Like Orakpo I don't agree with all the rankings, and could see the skins move up a few spots. But I can't argue with a lot of the rankings. That said, a lot of mention of offensive lines in the article. If we're factoring in O-lines, I feel like the list makes more sense.

I don't think ANYONE would argue that the difference between Campbell and Rosenfels is not greater than the difference between Peterson and Portis, though. Maybe someone who thinks Peterson is already better than Barry Sanders, but it'd be hard to take their opinion seriously anyway.

I'd like you to come to Chicago and try to tell someone that Kyle Orton is better than Jason Campbell. You'd get a mixed response of disbelieving laughter, and people wondering who the hell Jason Campbell is. Perhaps both from some people. It's weird how actually being forced to root for certain guys would warp your opinion of them. Oh, and it's really not even close on paper.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I was looking over the rankings, and I wouldn't put Jason and Clinton much higher. Look at all the QB's that are higher, then the RB's. break them down seperately. Most of the QB's are better, and the teams with so-so QB's or not so good QB's have legit RB's. (vikings)

Hey, you have to have a few good seasons to have any respect. Jason has yet to do anything remarkable, and CP, although a work horse, didn't have a great year last year. His YPC is way down, actually below league minimum I believe.

Again, For the first 8 games he was probowl bound. I think he ranked higher then all of them. I guess if people are looking at the whole season (which I guess ya have to) then statistically he's were he should be.

Also here's the statistics:
QB's;
9th-Cutler: threw for 4,526 yrds, 25td's, and 18inter. Rating 86.0
24th-Orton: threw for 2,972 yrds, 18td's, and 12inter. Rating 79.6
26th-Campbell: threw for 3,245 yrds, 18td's, and 6int. Rating 84.3

RB's;
Forte(Bears)-rushed for 1,238, avg-3.9yrds, 8tds.
Portis(Skins)-rushed for 1,487, avg-4.3yrds, 9tds.

then you have Denver who seemed to have RB by commitee;
Selvin Young-303yrds, 1td
Michael Pittman-320yrds, 4tds
Peyton Hillis-343yrds, 5tds
LaMont Jordan-363yrds, 4tds

One could say none of Denvers RB's got over 1,000yds like the other teams or you could say they are better back field wise simply cause they have 4 good RBs plus a plethora of others that had less then 100 yrds.

Speaking of backfield alone as I thought this thread was I would rank the Skins higher. If you are talking about the offense in general then we are probably ranked close but would move us above some of the teams ahead of us.

[Daseal]

Gtripp, what's Orton's win percentage? Answer: Far higher than Campbells.

Josh McDaniels seems to think Orton is better than Campbell too. Neither Orton nor Campbell can hold a candle to Cutler though.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Gtripp, what's Orton's win percentage? Answer: Far higher than Campbells.

Josh McDaniels seems to think Orton is better than Campbell too. Neither Orton nor Campbell can hold a candle to Cutler though.

In college, Campbell's win percentage was way higher than Orton's. What's your point? There are clearly other factors at play here, because Campbell, historically, is' the "winner" of the two.

Cutler and Campbell are pretty comparable back here in reality. Orton and Campbell are not. If you actually value win percentage, you should be arguing that Orton is way better than Cutler. I know that's not what your eyes tell you, but dude, he wins.

Also, McDaniels has more to prove than Campbell does, so I'm not sure I'd cite his opinion here yet before he has a chance to prove that he's not crazy.

None of this changes the fact that if you said what you just said to a fanbase that is hard wired into all Kyle Orton dealings, you'd be laughed out of the room as unknowledable. Not unlike McDaniels, who thinks he can win with Orton, AND no defense.