Portis is a BIG problem!!!

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

betts is older than portis.....hes right at the age where production drops off right?n

The drop off in production for a RB is not just based on age, but age + number of carries. While Betts may be older than Portis, Betts has not had the same number of carries (and therefore the same amount of punishment) than Portis has. So in this particular fact that you are bringing up to "make your case" you are WRONG. Sadly, you'll just laugh it off and put more pictures of clowns or some other crap.

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

betts has less yardage than portis this season even tho betts is clearly better? i dont understand that either

Well this is a naive simple-minded argument which I'll disprove, however I'm sure you'll laugh it off or something.

Many people are making the argument that Betts has made a more significant impact with his running this season than Portis has. While Portis (494 yds) may have more yards than Betts' 205 yds. (since he has played more games than Betts); Betts in two games has had a higher per game rushing yard average (4.1, 4.7) than Portis had in the first half of the season, and he has already doubled the number of TDs (2) that Portis scored (1).

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

betts was given his chance to be a starter but since portis' arrival in washington he has yet to relinquish his position

Ok, this is where you have to do this moronic thing of being specific about your claims and mention facts that support your argument. So allow me to make the provide the following information:

- Betts was drafted in the Spurrier regime in the 2nd round of the 2002 draft. A RB by the name of Stephen Davis was still the RB during that season.
- In 2003, the team brought Trung Canidate to be the RB (if memory serves me right), Betts only played 9 games that season and ran for 255 yds, almost half of what Canidate produced (600 yds) in 11 games.
- By 2004, Joe Gibbs decided to bring Portis in the blockbuster trade, Betts was a leftover from the Spurrier era.

Now Betts did have the chance to become the starter in 2006 when Portis went down with injury, and had a 1,174 yds season. However, this is when Portis was in his prime, and of course the team would not get rid of Portis at that stage.

So given this information, I don't understand where you see a situation where Betts was even given the chance to be the starter...save for 2006, in a year that he actually gave the front office a reason for him to be the starter.

You keep saying that you have the right to post and express your opinion...this is the only part in which you are correct. It is my opinion that you do not bring any type of educated discussion to this forum. You keep making arguments without any type of facts or other information to back them up, you dismiss any counter arguments made by people, even when they prove you completely wrong.

[CantonLegend]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

The drop off in production for a RB is not just based on age, but age + number of carries. While Betts may be older than Portis, Betts has not had the same number of carries (and therefore the same amount of punishment) than Portis has. So in this particular fact that you are bringing up to "make your case" you are WRONG. Sadly, you'll just laugh it off and put more pictures of clowns or some other crap.

lol that was a sarcastic statement based on what your peers are offering up as suggestions for why portis is done.....hes too old.....

portis isnt too old.....there isnt an age limit to be a good running back in the league.....different factors result in decreases in production....i was merely trying to point out how foolish that argument is.....and you responded exactly how i expected thereby proving my point even further

Well this is a naive simple-minded argument which I'll disprove, however I'm sure you'll laugh it off or something.

Many people are making the argument that Betts has made a more significant impact with his running this season than Portis has. While Portis (494 yds) may have more yards than Betts' 205 yds. (since he has played more games than Betts); Betts in two games has had a higher per game rushing yard average (4.1, 4.7) than Portis had in the first half of the season, and he has already doubled the number of TDs (2) that Portis scored (1).

once again....a sarcastic statement....the entire post was sarcasm bro

however, you are using 2 games to prove betts is better than portis?

Ok, this is where you have to do this moronic thing of being specific about your claims and mention facts that support your argument. So allow me to make the provide the following information:

- Betts was drafted in the Spurrier regime in the 2nd round of the 2002 draft. A RB by the name of Stephen Davis was still the RB during that season.
- In 2003, the team brought Trung Canidate to be the RB (if memory serves me right), Betts only played 9 games that season and ran for 255 yds, almost half of what Canidate produced (600 yds) in 11 games.
- By 2004, Joe Gibbs decided to bring Portis in the blockbuster trade, Betts was a leftover from the Spurrier era.

Now Betts did have the chance to become the starter in 2006 when Portis went down with injury, and had a 1,174 yds season. However, this is when Portis was in his prime, and of course the team would not get rid of Portis at that stage.

So given this information, I don't understand where you see a situation where Betts was even given the chance to be the starter...save for 2006, in a year that he actually gave the front office a reason for him to be the starter.

betts has been in the league for 8 seasons and has cracked the starting lineup only a handful of times when the real starter has gone down with an injury.........

one thing im curious about tho....wouldnt the coaching staff put the best RB out on the field? if betts was better he would've started over portis.....he doesnt.....shouldnt that tell you something?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

one thing im curious about tho....wouldnt the coaching staff put the best RB out on the field? if betts was better he would've started over portis.....he doesnt.....shouldnt that tell you something?

If Betts continues to produce the same way he has, I'm sure the coaching staff would want to put the best RB out on the field. However, Portis happens to have a direct line to the ownership and would run his mouth in the local media about it, which I'm sure you can pick up in the few games you've seen.

I don't think there's a fan that will discredit and ignore the accomplishments that Portis has had as a Redskins. However, we're not being narrow-minded like you are by saying that just because he was great before he should be the starter in a year when injuries/age/faulty o-line/not practicing/etc., etc. have caused him to have a subpar first half of the season.

You just like to fuck with people and come up with your ignorant ramblings about how great he was.

If Portis was healthy and in his past form, there wouldn't even be a discussion. But unfortunately for your piss poor argument, he's not.

[CantonLegend]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

If Betts continues to produce the same way he has, I'm sure the coaching staff would want to put the best RB out on the field. However, Portis happens to have a direct line to the ownership and would run his mouth in the local media about it, which I'm sure you can pick up in the few games you've seen.

I don't think there's a fan that will discredit and ignore the accomplishments that Portis has had as a Redskins. However, we're not being narrow-minded like you are by saying that just because he was great before he should be the starter in a year when injuries/age/faulty o-line/not practicing/etc., etc. have caused him to have a subpar first half of the season.

You just like to fuck with people and come up with your ignorant ramblings about how great he was.

If Portis was healthy and in his past form, there wouldn't even be a discussion. But unfortunately for your piss poor argument, he's not.

you're right....hes hurt....which is why hes not playing

however.....i disagree that his affiliation with the owner has anything to do with his playing time and positioning as a starter

it is the coaches call to put the starters on the field......it doesnt matter what the owner says about who he wants to play because it is ultimately the decision of the coach.....zorns job is on the line anyway....the last thing he should be worried about is what the owner has to say about who should start

zorn is taking full advantage of his liberties as a head coach that he still has and one of them is designating starters.....he came in to the team completely unbiased towards which running back should start and selected portis as the feature back.....because he is better.....zorn has no affiliation with portis whatsoever and if portis werent the better of the 2 players, there would be absolutely no reason for zorn to continue to milk that cow

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

you're right....hes hurt....which is why hes not playing

however.....i disagree that his affiliation with the owner has anything to do with his playing time and positioning as a starter

it is the coaches call to put the starters on the field......it doesnt matter what the owner says about who he wants to play because it is ultimately the decision of the coach.....zorns job is on the line anyway....the last thing he should be worried about is what the owner has to say about who should start

zorn is taking full advantage of his liberties as a head coach that he still has and one of them is designating starters.....he came in to the team completely unbiased towards which running back should start and selected portis as the feature back.....because he is better.....zorn has no affiliation with portis whatsoever and if portis werent the better of the 2 players, there would be absolutely no reason for zorn to continue to milk that cow

Well this is your opinion as an outsider, which is understandable. However, my beef (and many people's beef) with you is that you ignore any arguments made by those in the DC area or who closely follow the team.

In theory, what you said should be the case. It should be the coach's decision to put a player on the field, and not the owner. However, this clearly shows your lack of knowledge of the antics of Dan Snyder.

However, in two separate incidents, Portis had public disagreements with the head coach of the team (one with Gibbs, and the other with Zorn). In both situations, while the coaches were right in their intentions/arguments/actions, it was Portis that came on the winning side of these disagreements (I am too lazy to look up the articles about this).

Once again, you may bring some valid points to an argument, but you shouldn't discredit those of us that may know the team better than a Saints fans. Just like you seem to know more about Reggie Bush than I do.

[CantonLegend]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Well this is your opinion as an outsider, which is understandable. However, my beef (and many people's beef) with you is that you ignore any arguments made by those in the DC area or who closely follow the team.

In theory, what you said should be the case. It should be the coach's decision to put a player on the field, and not the owner. However, this clearly shows your lack of knowledge of the antics of Dan Snyder.

However, in two separate incidents, Portis had public disagreements with the head coach of the team (one with Gibbs, and the other with Zorn). In both situations, while the coaches were right in their intentions/arguments/actions, it was Portis that came on the winning side of these disagreements (I am too lazy to look up the articles about this).

Once again, you may bring some valid points to an argument, but you shouldn't discredit those of us that may know the team better than a Saints fans. Just like you seem to know more about Reggie Bush than I do.

i would never intentionally try to pretend like i know more than you guys......but i do realize that losing brings out the worst in people and like ive said before......when teams are losing, there is always a scapegoat......portis may not be the flower everyone wants him to be....but as a rose he looks and smells pretty good on the field......its off the field that he may get you with his thorns

im trying to point out that even tho his numbers are down this season, calling for his head is jumping the gun......especially considering his history with this franchise and his amazing ability to carry the team on his back almost single handidly

is there another back in the league that is asked to do as much as portis? maybe, but none of them do it as well as portis

you guys definitly know more about the redskins than i do......but i have watched games and i have watched portis and i didnt notice anything significantly worse than what he has shown the past few seasons

one thing that you cant ignore is the dropoff in carries per game.....if he would get his normal 6 more carries per game he would have nearly 700 yards already this season and would be right where you guys expect him to be

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

i would never intentionally try to pretend like i know more than you guys......but i do realize that losing brings out the worst in people and like ive said before......when teams are losing, there is always a scapegoat......portis may not be the flower everyone wants him to be....but as a rose he looks and smells pretty good on the field......its off the field that he may get you with his thorns

im trying to point out that even tho his numbers are down this season, calling for his head is jumping the gun......especially considering his history with this franchise and his amazing ability to carry the team on his back almost single handidly

is there another back in the league that is asked to do as much as portis? maybe, but none of them do it as well as portis

you guys definitly know more about the redskins than i do......but i have watched games and i have watched portis and i didnt notice anything significantly worse than what he has shown the past few seasons

one thing that you cant ignore is the dropoff in carries per game.....if he would get his normal 6 more carries per game he would have nearly 700 yards already this season and would be right where you guys expect him to be

While Portis may have been able to carry the team on his back before, I really don't think he or he should. There is a reason why teams are going to a two-runningback system, and Portis career and his significance to the team can be extended if we adopt that.

I think if Portis is 100% healthy, he should be back, but the team should consider a two-back system such as in Dallas and Carolina. However, I don't think Portis will be 100% healthy this season, and given the dangers of his concussion (especially after seeing what happened to Westbrook).

I think those that want Betts to continue to play are being more realistic to the fact that Portis is not going to help this team while he continues with injury and now with this terrible concussion he's had.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

i would never intentionally try to pretend like i know more than you guys......but i do realize that losing brings out the worst in people and like ive said before......when teams are losing, there is always a scapegoat......portis may not be the flower everyone wants him to be....but as a rose he looks and smells pretty good on the field......its off the field that he may get you with his thorns

im trying to point out that even tho his numbers are down this season, calling for his head is jumping the gun......especially considering his history with this franchise and his amazing ability to carry the team on his back almost single handidly

is there another back in the league that is asked to do as much as portis? maybe, but none of them do it as well as portis

you guys definitly know more about the redskins than i do......but i have watched games and i have watched portis and i didnt notice anything significantly worse than what he has shown the past few seasons

one thing that you cant ignore is the dropoff in carries per game.....if he would get his normal 6 more carries per game he would have nearly 700 yards already this season and would be right where you guys expect him to be

Dude you had best be Clinton Portis. Because if you're not, you need to remove your lips from his