Coaching Staff update

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Because our first two guys we wanted didn't accept the job, and we have very little to no time before scouting in the college games like the shrine game and senior bowl starts, and this guy hasn't worked with zone blocking teams like the broncos or texans. Thats why I'm being a negative nancy.

So basically, in the year off, you think that MS only looked at two OL coaches, and/or that in the 2 weeks that he has been at work he didn't look at who else might be available that could coach the line the way he wants.

As for the 2nd point, it's not like Foerster was calling BINGO last week. He was an OL coach, looking at film and probably packing for the shrine bowl and senior bowl.

I don't know what style he brings, but if every other coach they brought in fits with what they intend to do, and any intelligent football guy knows that the OL has to be functioning for their offense to go, I think Shanahan understands what he wants in a line coach.

Could I be wrong, sure. In fact the SF website had a full thread bashing this guy-in addition to the one post quoted earlier, so he could be the next Stan Hixon, or the fans could be wrong and it could have been his players. I guess I am not going to get down on a guy who hasn't even unpacked his bags yet.

[Frost]

The Redskins have announced the hiring of Jacob Burney as the defensive-line coach and Bob Slowick as defensive-backs coach.

Redskins Insider - Your daily source for news and commentary on the Washington Redskins, by Jason Reid

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Because our first two guys we wanted didn't accept the job, and we have very little to no time before scouting in the college games like the shrine game and senior bowl starts, and this guy hasn't worked with zone blocking teams like the broncos or texans. Thats why I'm being a negative nancy.

pretty much every team in the NFL uses zone blocking, just some more than others

bugel taught the zone as well.. I remember a few years ago our linemen saying that they loved it

The guy obviously had some knowledge going from the indy TE job to getting a coordinator job.. granted the phins didn't have a great team then.. it was also one in which the HC got the boot mid-season.. and it is going from TE coach to coordinator

the jury is still out but I'm not going to pretend to know his body of work and instantly think that he sucks

big whoop if the first 2 candidates didn't want to come here.. that happens all of the time.. that doesn't mean that there are only 2 good line coaches in the NFL.. i know that coaches and players are different but haven't we gotten upset when we just got the big name instead of the right fit? maybe he's a good fit, we'll have to see.. we don't even know who is going to be on our line at this point, silly to speculate heavily

[MTK]

Zone schemes are used by nearly every team to varying degrees.


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[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Frost

The Redskins have announced the hiring of Jacob Burney as the defensive-line coach and Bob Slowick as defensive-backs coach.

Redskins Insider - Your daily source for news and commentary on the Washington Redskins, by Jason Reid

Slowick somehow seems to succeed Blache in coaching locations. First in Chicago, now here.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

do any other teams have a DBs coach and a safeties coach? i thought for sure when grey and blache left, we'd be done with that silliness.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

do any other teams have a DBs coach and a safeties coach? i thought for sure when grey and blache left, we'd be done with that silliness.

Not sure if any other team(s) have the same set-up but it has been reported that Jerry Gray and Steve Jackson had more than their share of differences. Maybe this staff will have a different pecking order where problems between the two position coaches will no longer exist.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

This could be a clue

Yea, most likely it will the the ex-Tampa Bay coach Mann. I put it out there cause I think the guy I referenced said they thought all the positions were filled. As far as I know I heard Mann was offered the job but he has not said whether he would take the job or not, and your right it would appear he is since he is no longer on Tampa's staff.

But....he might not be cause I have read other articles that say Tampa did not renew his contract and will have to fill his shoes. So it's not like he left them it sounds more like they didn't renew his contract.
I guess if he wants a job he'll take our offer though.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

It seems some 49ers fans tend to think they had a horrible oline this year under Forester.
Our O-Line... - Page 2 - 49ers Message Board Community

I hope they are wrong....on the other hand, we claim to had one of the worst lines this year and we had Buges...perhaps it is strictly talent related

I think it has a lot to do with getting the right coach in the right situation. Buges was the best at teaching Man-to-Man blocking which is good for Gibbs style and possibly Schottenheimer's, Norv's etc. Buges didn't do well in the WCO cause they need a more smaller mobile OL and Zone blocking. No different then A.Gibbs or Dennison might not have worked out in JGibbs system.

[GTripp0012]

This 49ers OLine was terrible. Probably worst in the NFL (not that ours and Chicago's don't have a similar claim).

As for what that says about Forester...is Bugel a bad coach? His units have been pretty awful recently.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

do any other teams have a DBs coach and a safeties coach? i thought for sure when grey and blache left, we'd be done with that silliness.

I'd imagine every team does, I could be wrong, but it's not like we're unique in having a safeties coach.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

This 49ers OLine was terrible. Probably worst in the NFL (not that ours and Chicago's don't have a similar claim).

As for what that says about Forester...is Bugel a bad coach? His units have been pretty awful recently.

Yeah there are too many variables. Like you mentioned with Bugel.. either he lost something or the FO didn't make it a priority. This could very well be the same situation that happened in SF. O-Line coaches will tell you who they like but they're not even close to the head-honcho on draft day and determining which players to throw money at in FA.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Any particular reason for this, or just the normal redskins cynicism? I tend to be optimistic this time of year, but I think that most, if not all, of these hires show reflective thought, and not just the throw up the hands and hire someone mentality. Looking at the production each individual coach has gotten from players during their tenure, it sure seems offensively that they all have a pretty good grasp on getting the most out of the players they have been responsible for.

I think the feeling comes because no one has heard of him before. I'm not a fan of Cable's issues and honestly don't know if his offensive lines were all that great. I too felt when A.Gibbs went to Seattle and rumor was Dennison was being interviewed by Houston, Uh oh, the two OL coaches Shanahan used to do great things are now not coming with him? and our issues were OL. WTF? No one heard of him nor anyone else interviewing for the positon and then all of a sudden on a Thursday.... "OL coaches position has been filled." Now were left wondering where the "F" did he came from?

Plus I like the write up on him but statistics are made to be twisted to look good. I'm glad we have Kyle Shanahan cause he had the #4 ranked "passing" offense. However his "rushing" offense was worse then ours this year, and we couldn't run the ball. We were ranked like 26th and they were ranked 28th I think. I feel safe knowing Mike Shanahan provides an awsome running scheme, and Kyle provides an awsome passing scheme.

I guess what I'm saying is I'm sure there was a nice flowery write up about Vinny Cerrato on Redskins.com. A nice beautiful write up about Zorn and many others. So I think we have to look into what the situation around him was. Plus I don't think I could work for San Frans HC. So the write up might be nice and exciting but I think we need to see why he was let go from the other teams.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

do any other teams have a DBs coach and a safeties coach? i thought for sure when grey and blache left, we'd be done with that silliness.

i'm pretty sure they do.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

do any other teams have a DBs coach and a safeties coach? i thought for sure when grey and blache left, we'd be done with that silliness.

Not every team does, but it's not uncommon either