Late Round Gems

[CultBrennan59]

This guy isn't even projected to get drafted, yet is the perfect Shanahan type back.
YouTube - Daniel Porter La Tech Football 2008

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Live from the Senior Bowl

Quarterbacks – West Virginia's Jarrett Brown has put on a show this week. His quick release reminds me a lot of Philadelphia Eagles' quarterback Michael Vick's. He snaps the ball in his delivery with terrific velocity and a tight spiral. While he may need some development to become capable of starting in the NFL, Brown certainly has the talent needed to do so. You could definitely argue that Brown is a better pocket passer than his former teammate Pat White was when he entered the draft last year. With team's becoming more athletic in the NFL, Brown should find a home in the middle of the draft.

Lots of these popping up as soon as I read this.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

This guy isn't even projected to get drafted, yet is the perfect Shanahan type back.
YouTube - Daniel Porter La Tech Football 2008

Porter definitely looks good, he sure wasn't easy to tackle.. Granted, the team doesn't play against big name teams.. But I definitely would give him a look if I was Shanahan or Allen..

[30gut]

Seriously, where you see the red flag?

Since when is having a quick release and a near text book throwing motion a bad thing?

I see a red flag with your post, lol

You realize that the comparison was of their releases?

[CultBrennan59]

a few other gems I found are;

George Selvie DE/OLB South Florida

Walter McFadden CB auburn (brother is bryant mcfadden of the steelers and cardinals)

John Estes C Hawaii

Lorenzo Washington and Brandon Deadrick 3-4 DE's Alabama

Daniel Porter RB LaTech (video of him is a few posts above)

Jared Veldheer OT Hillsdale

Jason Fox OT Miami

Antonio Brown WR/RS Central Michigan (we had him before, we can have him again)

Jamar Wall CB Texas Tech

Riley Cooper WR Florida

Chris Cook CB UVA

AJ Wallace CB Penn State

Cody Grimm S/OLB VT (can be a good OLB for a nickel defense either rushing passer or playing coverage)

TJ Ward FS Oregon

Major Wright FS Florida (will probably get drafted higher but who knows)

Mitch Petrus G Arkansas (former FB)

Shelly Smith G Colorado State

Sergio Render G VT (may not fit Shannys offense)

Chris Brown RB Oklahoma

LaMarcus Coker RB Hampton

Montario Hardesty RB Tennessee

Tony Washington OT Abiliene Christian

Brandon James RB/RS Florida

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Seriously, where you see the red flag?

Since when is having a quick release and a near text book throwing motion a bad thing?

I see a red flag with your post, lol

You realize that the comparison was of their releases?

Having a QB compared in the passing department to Michael Vick for me is the red flag. The quick release and throwing motion are fine. I would think of an analogy but I can't think of one right now.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Having a QB compared in the passing department to Michael Vick for me is the red flag. The quick release and throwing motion are fine. I would think of an analogy but I can't think of one right now.

Well its not the some generalized 'passing department' comparison that he's making, its a specific comparison of their releases.

His quick release reminds me a lot of Philadelphia Eagles' quarterback Michael Vick's.

You even contradict yourself in your post, you say the 'quick release and throwing motion are fine' but that is exactly what the comparison was about they both have quick releases.

Do you agree that Vick has a good release?

[30gut]

Jarrett Brown remains one of my late round gems:

West Virginia's Jarrett Brown got the best reviews by far among a weak morning quarterback group.
Snead enjoys strong throwing session | ProFootballTalk.com

Jarrett Brown/QB/West Virginia: Brown was one of the few signal-callers who displayed NFL caliber talent today. His passes had terrific velocity and Brown's accuracy was better on Sunday than at any point the past eight months. He was effective throwing the deep out, the money pass at the combine.

Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...ball/nfl/02/28
Running backs outshine quarterbacks on Day 4 - NFL - SI.com

listen@ 2:12
NFL Videos: QB standouts

[30gut]

INDIANAPOLIS
We're taking a look inside the performances of the quarterbacks who participated in the NFL Combine.

NOTES:
Heights and weights are the official measurements taken at the NFL Combine.
Players are ranked based on their throwing performance only.
Official height example: "6055" = 6 feet, 5 5/8 inches.
Official height example: "5017" = 5 feet, 11 7/8 inches.

1) Jarrett Brown/West Virginia/6027/224: Just like he performed during Senior Bowl week practices, Brown wowed scouts with his big arm and accuracy. He throws the ball so effortlessly that you wonder why he hadn't been a starter at West Virginia for a longer period of time. He has outstanding arm strength and surprisingly good touch.

What you also see is a young quarterback that throws with tremendous confidence. You can tell he knows he's good, but he backs it up with almost flawless accuracy and execution. No quarterback has helped himself more from late January through late February. I can't see how Brown makes it out of the third round based on his upside alone.

Scout.com: Caplan scouts the Combine QBs - NFL News - FOX Sports on MSN

[redskinfan401]

Are you Jarrett Brown? The red flag from my perspective is that his release is similar to Vick's AND that the reviews vary on his accuracy. One says "flawless accuracy," while another says "makes receivers work for catches," and another says "His accuracy was not deadly." That sounds a lot like Mike Vick. That's somewhat to be expected from a late-round QB though, so I wouldn't be completely opposed to spending a 4th or later pick on him assuming we don't take a different qb earlier.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Do you agree that Vick has a good release?

Doesn't matter how quick it is when a little under half the time he misses the target. So no I don't believe Vick has a good release in a game situation. Now if you want to impress a scout with how much velocity you can put on a football then fine he has an amazing release, but it's like getting a rocket launcher without a targeting system.

THERE'S YOUR ANALOGY!! Only took half a month.

Anyway I will never respect a true mobile QB until they can put up respectable passing numbers. Most of the mobile QB's that have become successful almost always evolved into pocket passers; Steve Young, McNabb, McNair, heck even Cunningham eventually reached his peak when he became a pocket passer. In the end the fact remains, a football travels much faster down the field then any QB can run.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by redskinfan401

Are you Jarrett Brown? The red flag from my perspective is that his release is similar to Vick's

I think the point that is lost on you is that Michael Vick has one of the better releases in the league.

Having a good release is not a red flag.

LoL, i'm not Jarrett Brown.
I just like to support my opinions with the latest info.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Doesn't matter how quick it is when a little under half the time he misses the target. So no I don't believe Vick has a good release in a game situation...........
THERE'S YOUR ANALOGY!! Only took half a month.

So your reply is to attempt to change the subject?

The comparison to Vick was about his release not his accuracy.

The fact that you can't admit that Vick has a good release imo tells a lot about your willingness or lack thereof to admit when wrong.

HTTR!

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by 30gut

So your reply is to attempt to change the subject?

The comparison to Vick was about his release not his accuracy.

The fact that you can't admit that Vick has a good release imo tells a lot about your willingness or lack thereof to admit when wrong.

HTTR!

Release is directly related to accuracy. If you have a crappy release your accuracy suffers. Vick is inaccurate ergo he has a poor release. I believe you're the one trying to change the subject. And please don't speak of things you know little of. I have a whole book worth of post where I admit I'm wrong. All right maybe a childrens book but it's pretty reckless to suggest such a character flaw without evidence, or at the very least a limited scope.

Anyway to review a release determines velocity and accuracy. If one of those components is lacking then the quality of the release is reduced. I believe you're confusing a quick release with a good release.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Release is directly related to accuracy. If you have a crappy release your accuracy suffers. Vick is inaccurate ergo he has a poor release. I believe you're the one trying to change the subject. And please don't speak of things you know little of. I have a whole book worth of post where I admit I'm wrong. All right maybe a childrens book but it's pretty reckless to suggest such a character flaw without evidence, or at the very least a limited scope.

Anyway to review a release determines velocity and accuracy. If one of those components is lacking then the quality of the release is reduced. I believe you're confusing a quick release with a good release.

Your argument doesn't hold much water, imo.
By your argument if someone isn't accurate or lacks velocity then they must have a poor release?
That simple isn't logical.

The quality of a QBs release is indepent from accuracy or velocity.
You can have a horrible release and good accuracy or velocity or a great release and horrible accuracy or velocity the factors are independent.

*And btw i was refering to this point of contention we're having not about your general posting history of which i have no clue nor care.

Look it, if you don't think Vick has a good release cool beans bro.

Hey, whatever floats your boat.

HTTR!
Agree to disagree