Analyzing Mike Shanahan at the Midway Point

SmootSmack · 11-04-2010, 09:58 AM

Good read

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Player_HTTR · 11-04-2010, 10:23 AM

Very good read. Not much to disagree with IMO.

GhettoDogAllStars · 11-04-2010, 10:26 AM

This pretty much sums it up for me:

"There are games that they wouldn’t have won had it not been for Shanahan’s leadership, but there are also games that they lost that they had no business losing, indicating that this still is very much a work in progress."

SFREDSKIN · 11-04-2010, 11:00 AM

My question is: We have to give up 2 conditional picks to the Eagles and Saints for McNabb and Brown, neither has performed as the 3rd rounder that those teams will awarded, if anything they've performed like 4th rounders or less. Who gets the 3rd rounder Eagles or Saints?

SmootSmack · 11-04-2010, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

My question is: We have to give up 2 conditional picks to the Eagles and Saints for McNabb and Brown, neither has performed as the 3rd rounder that those teams will awarded, if anything they've performed like 4th rounders or less. Who gets the 3rd rounder Eagles or Saints?

If I remember right, the Redskins have to do one of the following: win 9 games or make the playoffs and Philly gets the 3rd rounder and the Saints get the 4th rounder. If neither happens, it's reversed

If the Saints get the 4th pick I believe we get a 6th from them, if they get the 3rd we get a 5th.

SFREDSKIN · 11-04-2010, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

If I remember right, the Redskins have to do one of the following: win 9 games or make the playoffs and Philly gets the 3rd rounder and the Saints get the 4th rounder. If neither happens, it's reversed

If the Saints get the 4th pick I believe we get a 6th from them, if they get the 3rd we get a 5th.

Thanks.

Longtimefan · 11-04-2010, 12:01 PM

Good read SS, lengthly and contains a great deal of basic knowledge of which we're all familiar, but decent to read nonetheless.

I'm going to proceed with caution on Shanahan mainly because of the position he's in as HC and personell decision maker. It's a difficult role to fill and the results can only be determined over time. His time in office has been too short to identify him with any degree of clarity.

I'm still waiting to see something that vastly distinguishes him and seperates him from the rest of pack. We've won a couple of games this year that had nothing to do with coaching, but more to do with commonplace occurances that take place during the course of many football games.

Don't get me wrong, I believe in giving credit where it's due, but a player picking up a fumble, returning it for a touchdown to win a game, or the F/G kicker for the opposition missing [by inches] a FG with 3 sec. left in regulation play dosen't have anything to do with good or bad coaching.

SFREDSKIN · 11-04-2010, 12:07 PM

Ex-NFL QB Jake Plummer is playing a new sport these days - Shutdown Corner - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

This is what Jake Plummer had to say about Shanahan:

The grind of playing for an uber-perfectionist like Shanahan wore on Plummer during his time in the Rockies.

"I had a coach that, regardless of how well I thought I was playing or how well the majority of fans across the country thought I was playing, it was never good enough for him," Plummer said, not bitter but very matter-of-fact. "And that kind of gets frustrating."

"It just seemed like every game I could have completed these four more passes or these five more shots here and it would have been perfect. And that just wasn't my personality... But Shanahan wanted perfection and he wore a lot of us down there."

Plummer didn't sound surprised by the current circus unfolding in Washington, D.C., between Shanahan and Redskins quarterback Donovan McNabb(notes).

"I think Shanahan is still searching for John Elway," Plummer said. "Somehow, someway, he thinks there's going to be another guy like John Elway."

"He coached a team to almost perfection (with Elway) so he wanted that again, he wanted that every time we went out there. It's just not realistic."

skinsnut · 11-04-2010, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Good read

Thumbs up, or thumbs down? Analyzing Mike Shanahan at the midway point - @TBD Skins | TBD.com

Very good read.

It ends with a pretty speculative comment though.
I just don't understand how he could make such a claim.:cheeky-sm

"Without Shanahan, this team could be 2-6 right now, so although I don’t always get him, I give the coach a thumbs up at the midway point."

Longtimefan · 11-04-2010, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsnut

Very good read.

It ends with a pretty speculative comment though.
I just don't understand how he could make such a claim.:cheeky-sm

"Without Shanahan, this team could be 2-6 right now, so although I don’t always get him, I give the coach a thumbs up at the midway point."

I thought it was Jim Zorn who guided the team to a 6-2 record through the first eight games of his first year here. Finished 2-6 leaving him at 8-8 the same record many have already predicted for this team. Let's wait and see how Shanahan's first year here compares to that of his predecessor. Only a few can honestly say, based on the way these games have been played this year, the end result of any of them is due to any form of genius in coaching. Tbh, some might say it's quite the contrary.

freddyg12 · 11-04-2010, 01:02 PM

I can easily see this team finish 6-10 & w/a lot of drama along the way. Overall though, I think Shanny has taken a big picture view of things & made decisions for the best of the organization long-term. That's something we haven't seen too much of here.

Like Casserly said, he let everyone know who's in charge, that had to be done. Combined w/Allen's fiscal conservatism, there really is change underway. Still, my fear of Shanny is that he thinks too much like Danny. In his time in denver, he was willing to make big deals & go after big name guys. We've already seen this regime trade some valuable draft picks to try to 'win now.' When does "now" arrive?

skinsfaninok · 11-04-2010, 01:32 PM

Shanny gets a B so far IMO. I do think he will build a legit contender

BringBackJoeT · 11-04-2010, 01:32 PM

This is indeed a good read and a thorough breakdown. The fact is that a team coming off a 4-win season and which has posted only one double-digit win total in ten years needs a ground-up personnel makeover. You can't expect that every move in a necessary overhaul is going to be a good one--understanding that it's necessary to begin with is a good start. This is still very much a work in progress, and, as Casserly indicated, there are more fits and starts to come, and I agree with the overall assessment that Shanahan deserves a thumbs-up so far.

mredskins · 11-04-2010, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Ex-NFL QB Jake Plummer is playing a new sport these days - Shutdown Corner - NFL* - Yahoo! Sports

This is what Jake Plummer had to say about Shanahan:

The grind of playing for an uber-perfectionist like Shanahan wore on Plummer during his time in the Rockies.

"I had a coach that, regardless of how well I thought I was playing or how well the majority of fans across the country thought I was playing, it was never good enough for him," Plummer said, not bitter but very matter-of-fact. "And that kind of gets frustrating."

"It just seemed like every game I could have completed these four more passes or these five more shots here and it would have been perfect. And that just wasn't my personality... But Shanahan wanted perfection and he wore a lot of us down there."

Plummer didn't sound surprised by the current circus unfolding in Washington, D.C., between Shanahan and Redskins quarterback Donovan McNabb(notes).

"I think Shanahan is still searching for John Elway," Plummer said. "Somehow, someway, he thinks there's going to be another guy like John Elway."

"He coached a team to almost perfection (with Elway) so he wanted that again, he wanted that every time we went out there. It's just not realistic."

MS is the leader any leader who wants less then perfection is wasting their time.

When I worked for Marriott in the Revenue office our director was just like MS always want the best and demand it. I never slacked in fear of her wrath, guess what though the year I worked for her I had my highest quarterly bonus and won a bunch of awards.

I just looked for other places for praise like my immediate manager or my co-workers I just knew she never be happy and that was her game to get the most out of you.

JLee9718 · 11-04-2010, 02:18 PM

I think Shanahan has made some adjustments to the offensive line, but that's not enough. He was supposed to upgrade the offensive line so the QB would have a decent chance to throw a pass without getting tramped on by every defensive line we face. Why is the offensive line just about the same as it was last year? Why don't we have capable backups on the line? And last, why don't we put somebody in for Casey Rabach, who can't block anybody?

Also, we had a better defense last year. With last year's defense, we could have been maybe 6-2 at this point, with wins over Houston and Detroit. If you throw in a win over the Rams, we could have been 7-1, with McNabb's best games yet to come. The defense was overwhelmed by the Colts and Manning, so we just lost that game regardless of how well we could have played.

Personally, I would have claimed Moss on waivers, but Moss probably wouldn't have liked to play for Shanahan.

So I give Shanahan a C-, and I think I'm being generous there. I think he deserves a D because he didn't do anything to upgrade the O-line. He thought he did, but bringing in different bodies, two of whom were reserves on other teams, just isn't enough to make a good O-line.

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11-04-2010, 09:58 AM	#1
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Analyzing Mike Shanahan at the Midway Point Good read Thumbs up, or thumbs down? Analyzing Mike Shanahan at the midway point - @TBD Skins \| TBD.com __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

11-04-2010, 10:23 AM	#2
Player_HTTR Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 328	Re: Analyzing Mike Shanahan at the Midway Point Very good read. Not much to disagree with IMO.

11-04-2010, 10:26 AM	#3
GhettoDogAllStars Playmaker Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Age: 43 Posts: 2,762	Re: Analyzing Mike Shanahan at the Midway Point This pretty much sums it up for me: "There are games that they wouldn’t have won had it not been for Shanahan’s leadership, but there are also games that they lost that they had no business losing, indicating that this still is very much a work in progress." __________________ To succeed in the world it is not enough to be stupid, you must also be well-mannered.

11-04-2010, 11:00 AM	#4
SFREDSKIN Living Legend Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pacifica, CA Posts: 15,164	Re: Analyzing Mike Shanahan at the Midway Point My question is: We have to give up 2 conditional picks to the Eagles and Saints for McNabb and Brown, neither has performed as the 3rd rounder that those teams will awarded, if anything they've performed like 4th rounders or less. Who gets the 3rd rounder Eagles or Saints? __________________ Joe Gibbs- The best coach of all time, Lombardi trophy should be renamed Gibbs. Art Monk- Art was like an OL playing WR, doing the dirty work and not getting the glory. Darrell Green- Best DB ever. Purveyor of fine Filth

11-04-2010, 12:01 PM	#7
Longtimefan Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germantown, Md. Posts: 4,832	Re: Analyzing Mike Shanahan at the Midway Point Good read SS, lengthly and contains a great deal of basic knowledge of which we're all familiar, but decent to read nonetheless. I'm going to proceed with caution on Shanahan mainly because of the position he's in as HC and personell decision maker. It's a difficult role to fill and the results can only be determined over time. His time in office has been too short to identify him with any degree of clarity. I'm still waiting to see something that vastly distinguishes him and seperates him from the rest of pack. We've won a couple of games this year that had nothing to do with coaching, but more to do with commonplace occurances that take place during the course of many football games. Don't get me wrong, I believe in giving credit where it's due, but a player picking up a fumble, returning it for a touchdown to win a game, or the F/G kicker for the opposition missing [by inches] a FG with 3 sec. left in regulation play dosen't have anything to do with good or bad coaching. __________________ A revolution is coming and it will be televised.

11-04-2010, 12:07 PM	#8
SFREDSKIN Living Legend Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pacifica, CA Posts: 15,164	Re: Analyzing Mike Shanahan at the Midway Point Ex-NFL QB Jake Plummer is playing a new sport these days - Shutdown Corner - NFL - Yahoo! Sports This is what Jake Plummer had to say about Shanahan: The grind of playing for an uber-perfectionist like Shanahan wore on Plummer during his time in the Rockies. "I had a coach that, regardless of how well I thought I was playing or how well the majority of fans across the country thought I was playing, it was never good enough for him," Plummer said, not bitter but very matter-of-fact. "And that kind of gets frustrating." "It just seemed like every game I could have completed these four more passes or these five more shots here and it would have been perfect. And that just wasn't my personality... But Shanahan wanted perfection and he wore a lot of us down there." Plummer didn't sound surprised by the current circus unfolding in Washington, D.C., between Shanahan and Redskins quarterback Donovan McNabb(notes). "I think Shanahan is still searching for John Elway," Plummer said. "Somehow, someway, he thinks there's going to be another guy like John Elway." "He coached a team to almost perfection (with Elway) so he wanted that again, he wanted that every time we went out there. It's just not realistic." __________________ Joe Gibbs- The best coach of all time, Lombardi trophy should be renamed Gibbs. Art Monk- Art was like an OL playing WR, doing the dirty work and not getting the glory. Darrell Green- Best DB ever. Purveyor of fine Filth

11-04-2010, 01:02 PM	#11
freddyg12 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,540	Re: Analyzing Mike Shanahan at the Midway Point I can easily see this team finish 6-10 & w/a lot of drama along the way. Overall though, I think Shanny has taken a big picture view of things & made decisions for the best of the organization long-term. That's something we haven't seen too much of here. Like Casserly said, he let everyone know who's in charge, that had to be done. Combined w/Allen's fiscal conservatism, there really is change underway. Still, my fear of Shanny is that he thinks too much like Danny. In his time in denver, he was willing to make big deals & go after big name guys. We've already seen this regime trade some valuable draft picks to try to 'win now.' When does "now" arrive?

11-04-2010, 01:32 PM	#12
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 38 Posts: 36,176	Re: Analyzing Mike Shanahan at the Midway Point Shanny gets a B so far IMO. I do think he will build a legit contender __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

11-04-2010, 01:32 PM	#13
BringBackJoeT Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Washington D.C. Posts: 597	Re: Analyzing Mike Shanahan at the Midway Point This is indeed a good read and a thorough breakdown. The fact is that a team coming off a 4-win season and which has posted only one double-digit win total in ten years needs a ground-up personnel makeover. You can't expect that every move in a necessary overhaul is going to be a good one--understanding that it's necessary to begin with is a good start. This is still very much a work in progress, and, as Casserly indicated, there are more fits and starts to come, and I agree with the overall assessment that Shanahan deserves a thumbs-up so far.

11-04-2010, 02:18 PM	#15
JLee9718 Impact Rookie Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 573	Re: Analyzing Mike Shanahan at the Midway Point I think Shanahan has made some adjustments to the offensive line, but that's not enough. He was supposed to upgrade the offensive line so the QB would have a decent chance to throw a pass without getting tramped on by every defensive line we face. Why is the offensive line just about the same as it was last year? Why don't we have capable backups on the line? And last, why don't we put somebody in for Casey Rabach, who can't block anybody? Also, we had a better defense last year. With last year's defense, we could have been maybe 6-2 at this point, with wins over Houston and Detroit. If you throw in a win over the Rams, we could have been 7-1, with McNabb's best games yet to come. The defense was overwhelmed by the Colts and Manning, so we just lost that game regardless of how well we could have played. Personally, I would have claimed Moss on waivers, but Moss probably wouldn't have liked to play for Shanahan. So I give Shanahan a C-, and I think I'm being generous there. I think he deserves a D because he didn't do anything to upgrade the O-line. He thought he did, but bringing in different bodies, two of whom were reserves on other teams, just isn't enough to make a good O-line.

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