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[SBXVII]

I know you guys are definitly done with me saying it but I'll say it again.... had the team came out and said we are "rebuilding" the fan base would not (or so I believe) have such a high expectation. The majority of the fan base as well as the media would be saying "wow the Skins have come a long way, and if they can get all the right pieces to run the 3-4 and some better OL this team will be a power house for the future."

Instead everyones hopes get high and we win some games we probably should not have and lost some we probably should not have. Now we have fans with the "I'm done" mentality or "fire Haslett" mentality. This was not all on the coaching staff. Yes the coaching staff did a poor job getting ready to play especially after a bye week but the players have to learn to tackle, the players have to be in the right spot.

Across the board the Skins looked bad. I think if the team picks up a couple more OL (get rid of Heyer, whome I've supported, and Hicks) and hopefully a tall WR and pick up a few pieces for the defensive side like someone to replace Carter at LB, and a true FS, and NT the team might, might be better next yr.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I know you guys are definitly done with me saying it but I'll say it again.... had the team came out and said we are "rebuilding" the fan base would not (or so I believe) have such a high expectation. The majority of the fan base as well as the media would be saying "wow the Skins have come a long way, and if they can get all the right pieces to run the 3-4 and some better OL this team will be a power house for the future."

Instead everyones hopes get high and we win some games we probably should not have and lost some we probably should not have. Now we have fans with the "I'm done" mentality or "fire Haslett" mentality. This was not all on the coaching staff. Yes the coaching staff did a poor job getting ready to play especially after a bye week but the players have to learn to tackle, the players have to be in the right spot.

Across the board the Skins looked bad. I think if the team picks up a couple more OL (get rid of Heyer, whome I've supported, and Hicks) and hopefully a tall WR and pick up a few pieces for the defensive side like someone to replace Carter at LB, and a true FS, and NT the team might, might be better next yr.

This fan base would never accept "rebuilding" They may say they would but there's no way they could accept it.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

This fan base would never accept "rebuilding" They may say they would but there's no way they could accept it.

I don't think any team goes into a season and public says this a rebuilding year, that would be a PR nightmare.

[over the mountain]

yeah i know that allen said we are not in rebuild mode but the temperature of skins fans before the season was expecting 8-8. we are still on course for that.

some where between beating dallas in week 1, winning against the packers then having the NFC east become anyones division, suddenly expectations were raised to playoff or bust status.

i could have done without yet another total demolishing during a home MNF game thoo.

[#56fanatic]

[QUOTE=SBXVII;759526]I know you guys are definitly done with me saying it but I'll say it again.... had the team came out and said we are "rebuilding" the fan base would not (or so I believe) have such a high expectation. The majority of the fan base as well as the media would be saying "wow the Skins have come a long way, and if they can get all the right pieces to run the 3-4 and some better OL this team will be a power house for the future."

Instead everyones hopes get high and we win some games we probably should not have and lost some we probably should not have. Now we have fans with the "I'm done" mentality or "fire Haslett" mentality. This was not all on the coaching staff. Yes the coaching staff did a poor job getting ready to play especially after a bye week but the players have to learn to tackle, the players have to be in the right spot.


Danny will not allow the Redskins to say the word "Rebuild". That is the problem. They hype that is spued from Redskin park has us believing year in and year out that this is the year we make a difference. I think a ton of us Redskin fans would find it refreshing to hear those words. We just dont have an owner that believes in rebuilding. he believes in retooling. Leonsis has the perfect formula for winning, building and gaining support from the fan base. Snyder should be giving him a call. Even though the Wizards stink, they knew it and said from the get go we are rebuilding, but we are excited about the potential of this team. Market the right way, bring fans into the organization and doesn't make them feel so distant. He has done wonders with the Caps, and will do so with the Wizards. Danny needs to sit back and let this team build, stop trading picks away and start getting rid of players that are productive, but past the good days. Moss, Carter, (hate to say it) Fletcher, cooler or Davis (pick one) Haynesworth, Portis. The list could go on.
I would be willing to go through a couple years of rebuilding if the front office was committed to it and committed to the coach and GM. I just dont think that will ever happen here.

[NC_Skins]

The single biggest problem I see with Skins fans is that they grossly overestimate the talent on our team. The truth of the reality is that we aren't a talented team (compared to others) and it's going to take a hell of a lot of work to get to the point where we need to be. Quite frankly, I"m happy as hell to be in the position we are right now because I know the ship is sailing in the right direction. It's obvious we have holes all across the board right now and hopefully we'll address them in the future drafts.


Interior OL
WRs
D-Line
Linebackers
Free Safety
QB (sorry, but you aren't going to win ball games with inconsistency at the main spot)

[Bushead]

Shanny will get a good 4 years out of me before I complain about coaching. Just for once, Fanbase and Snyder, let the the GM and Coach get players together they want.

This team doesn't have any talent, and it's going to be a while. The Eagles have three WRs that could be the number one guy on our team, while we have only one receiver that might be the number two guy in the league. It's time to retool! I'm glad we have McNabb for a couple more years; it will give us time to focus on drafting what we really need.

[SBXVII]

56, funny you should mention the same BS coming out of Redskins park every year...

The Eagles fan I work with said even he's tired of hearing that very same thing.... "wait till next year."

[SmootSmack]

You really can't compare the Wizards/Capitals to the Redskins. Redskins fanhood is on a whole different level. Fans call for firings at the first holding call in a preseason game

[tjmorgan]

Unfortunately, I have a very bad feeling that this is the start of the downward spiral for us this year.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I don't think any team goes into a season and public says this a rebuilding year, that would be a PR nightmare.

Ted Leonsis has done so with the Wizards and for the most part the fans are responsive, at least to his honesty.

The Redskins are a little different, they have a star struck owner whose major interest is to fill seats and sell merchandise. To try and sell rebuilding might not go over so well. It also speaks to why we're always being sold on change with the majority of the fan base buying into just about every move made. I agree with the fact the fans wouldn't be quite as dissapointed with the losing if they weren't so willing to view everything in the positive, instead have the foresight and patience to wait some of these moves through before forming an opinion.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

You really can't compare the Wizards/Capitals to the Redskins. Redskins fanhood is on a whole different level. Fans call for firings at the first holding call in a preseason game

I was only comparing Snyders unwillingness to say rebuild, where Leonsis was / is very open that his teams rebuild with youth and through the draft.

[over the mountain]

when leonsis rebuilt the caps, he took ALOT of crap from fans and season ticket holders for the way he sent kolzig, bondra others packing. it was well covered when he had a near fight with a caps fan.

i think from a money stand point, given how many season tickets werent renewed last year (the skins were desperate to sell ST this offseason), i dont think snyder could afford to say rebuild. too much money at stake.

could you imagine if we traded/got rid of fletcher, landry portis moss cooley . . . . snyder and the skins would have taken a huge huge loss. imo i dont think snyder has as much money as people think nowadays. i see his riches tied directly to what he makes from the skins.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Bushead

Shanny will get a good 4 years out of me before I complain about coaching. Just for once, Fanbase and Snyder, let the the GM and Coach get players together they want.

This team doesn't have any talent, and it's going to be a while. The Eagles have three WRs that could be the number one guy on our team, while we have only one receiver that might be the number two guy in the league. It's time to retool! I'm glad we have McNabb for a couple more years; it will give us time to focus on drafting what we really need.

Well it doesn't seem that Snyder is looking to interfere

Funny thing about the Eagles WRs. DeSean Jackson's first catch in the game was obviously huge and set the tone for the game, but other than that he really didn't do anything in two games against us

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

56, funny you should mention the same BS coming out of Redskins park every year...

The Eagles fan I work with said even he's tired of hearing that very same thing.... "wait till next year."

I just dont get where Eagle fans should be upset. They have been one of the more dominating teams over the last 10 years. 9 playoff appearances in 11 years. of those 9 - 5 NFC championships, 1 superbowl appearance. I would gladly trade our last 10 years for theirs in a second.