Offseason predictions

scott.sharrer · 12-06-2010, 11:34 AM

I know a lot on here disagree, but we need to go after OL and DL in the first and second round. The last 2-3 years, OL and DL have been given more priority in the draft, and we need to make our move early. Shoring up the OL with really good young guys will give us the continuity we need along the line for years to come. Average running backs put up All-Pro numbers behind great lines. Look at Mike Bell when he was in Denver for an example. In the latter rounds, go after the BPA no matter the position. There will be alot of talented players available late in FA that we will be able to get cheap to fill the rest of the wholes.

Players I think should be cut/traded
Galloway
Heyer
Docker
Rabach
Hicks
R. Williams
Beck
Sellers
Portis
Carriker
Haynesworth
Holliday
Doughty
Buchanon

MTK · 12-06-2010, 11:42 AM

Galloway was cut last week.

skinster · 12-06-2010, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by scott.sharrer

I know a lot on here disagree, but we need to go after OL and DL in the first and second round. The last 2-3 years, OL and DL have been given more priority in the draft, and we need to make our move early. Shoring up the OL with really good young guys will give us the continuity we need along the line for years to come. Average running backs put up All-Pro numbers behind great lines. Look at Mike Bell when he was in Denver for an example. In the latter rounds, go after the BPA no matter the position. There will be alot of talented players available late in FA that we will be able to get cheap to fill the rest of the wholes.

Players I think should be cut/traded
Galloway
Heyer
Docker
Rabach
Hicks
R. Williams
Beck
Sellers
Portis
Carriker
Haynesworth
Holliday
Doughty
Buchanon

True every single one of these players might suck (except for buchanon), but 14 player turnover is madness....Especially when every starter on the interior o-line is gone. Keep in mind, we only have 2 picks in the first 4 rounds. Hopefully 2 more picks will make the team. Also keep in mind, that we will need even more players after injuries. Also keep in mind that we very likely might loose some players to FA. I just don't see every one of these guys gone. Doughty, Buchanon, Carriker, Heyer IMO are all definately going to stay at least 1 more year.

scott.sharrer · 12-06-2010, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by skinster

True every single one of these players might suck (except for buchanon), but 14 player turnover is madness....Especially when every starter on the interior o-line is gone. Keep in mind, we only have 2 picks in the first 4 rounds. Hopefully 2 more picks will make the team. Also keep in mind, that we will need even more players after injuries. Also keep in mind that we very likely might loose some players to FA. I just don't see every one of these guys gone. Doughty, Buchanon, Carriker, Heyer IMO are all definately going to stay at least 1 more year.

That is why I said those are the players I would cut. And teams have released double digit number of players before. They don't all have to be released/cut. Some could be traded. Some of them would be worth 5th -7th round picks.

MTK · 12-06-2010, 03:11 PM

AH is the only one from your list with any trade value.

SBXVII · 12-06-2010, 04:47 PM

Cut them all. Use the 1st and 2nd round pick for a RT and Center. Shore up the OL as best we can with young talent. Bring in a bunch of UFA's. We don't have crap now so whats the harm? get younger and healthier and faster.

Look for a NT in FA and late in the draft (5th round). Pick up a FS, and LB late in the draft or FA.

EDIT: I forgot WR.... pick up Vince Jackson and Whosyourmama. Cut Moss.

skinster · 12-06-2010, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by scott.sharrer

That is why I said those are the players I would cut. And teams have released double digit number of players before. They don't all have to be released/cut. Some could be traded. Some of them would be worth 5th -7th round picks.

None besides haynesworth are worth squat. One of our only 2 16 game starters on that list we swapped 6th round picks to get.

We got rid of double digit guys last year. I just dont see us doing it two years in a row. The talent just isnt out there to upgrade on that many players. If they are on the market, that MOST likely means that their original team didn't value them that high.

SmootSmack · 12-06-2010, 05:16 PM

Heyer: Keep him
Docker: See if you can trade him, will be tough though.
Rabach: Cut
Hicks: Cut
R. Williams: Cut
Beck: I'd keep I guess
Sellers: CUTTTTTTTT
Portis: Keep
Carriker: Keep
Haynesworth: Sigh...
Holliday: Cut
Doughty: Cut
Buchanon: Keep

Many of these guys weren't meant to be long term fixes anyway.

SBXVII · 12-06-2010, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by skinster

None besides haynesworth are worth squat. One of our only 2 16 game starters on that list we swapped 6th round picks to get.

We got rid of double digit guys last year. I just dont see us doing it two years in a row. The talent just isnt out there to upgrade on that many players. If they are on the market, that MOST likely means that their original team didn't value them that high.

Or they don't fit into the scheme the team is using, ie; AH, Carter, and the 3/4. There are others especially on the OL since none are zone blockers or cut blockers. Most are man to man blockers.

SBXVII · 12-06-2010, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Heyer: Keep him
Docker: See if you can trade him, will be tough though.
Rabach: Cut
Hicks: Cut
R. Williams: Cut
Beck: I'd keep I guess
Sellers: CUTTTTTTTT
Portis: Keep
Carriker: Keep
Haynesworth: Sigh...
Holliday: Cut
Doughty: Cut
Buchanon: Keep

Many of these guys weren't meant to be long term fixes anyway.

I think I'd cut Heyer also. He was a nice feel good story but he has not lived up to his supposed talent. Unless they can prove he's a better at Guard I see no reason keeping him. I like your other cuts though but would also add Portis. Unless his contract is going to hurt us I cut him. I know about his value that everyone keep drilling about but it's only pass blocking. In MS's system anyone can run and look good. Plus Portis has not finished out a full season in the last few seasons. Groin or hamstring flip a coin that will be next yrs injury. Moss as well.

SmootSmack · 12-06-2010, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

I think I'd cut Heyer also. He was a nice feel good story but he has not lived up to his supposed talent. Unless they can prove he's a better at Guard I see no reason keeping him. I like your other cuts though but would also add Portis. Unless his contract is going to hurt us I cut him. I know about his value that everyone keep drilling about but it's only pass blocking. In MS's system anyone can run and look good. Plus Portis has not finished out a full season in the last few seasons. Groin or hamstring flip a coin that will be next yrs injury. Moss as well.

I don't think there was any hype at all for the undrafted free agent Stephon Heyer

SirClintonPortis · 12-06-2010, 06:45 PM

I believe Carter is gone. They tried to do an already failed near-experiment with him, and it failed.

Rocky - given Mike's inability to accepting rebuild, I think there's a chance he stays...at the right price.

Rabach - I damn hope they saw how much better Monty was than him and Lich couldn't be much worse than him at center. Also, we need space for a TRUE GUARD, not 2 converted centers at G and yet another center.

Golston - gone, I hope. He can't emulate Ngata. They deserve the label "incompetent" if they still keep him and still run the 3-4.

GusFrerotte · 12-06-2010, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by redsk1

I predict there will be alot of comings and goings in the offseason. I'm really stepping out on a limb on this one.

I think we are in a bit of a rebuilding phase and the coaches know it. They're smart, they know. It was a busy offseason last year and will be again this year. We've got more holes than draft picks. So we may see some FA's this year too. I don't know about McNabb. I was guessing yes, then now maybe no. Portis is gone, if i had to guess.

Hopefully we'll focus on: Center, Nose Tackle, Guard, RB, WR, damn that's alot. Maybe CB too.

A bit of rebuilding? More than a bit bud. Our o line sucks, and our backups blow to boot. WR corp with AA is a step in the right direction, but we need another WR threat or two. Santana is getting up there. We need to get a couple LBs also if we keep this 3-4 setup.

CultBrennan59 · 12-07-2010, 01:22 AM

Woah! Wait why do people want to cut Carriker? I mean I don't watch him on an every down basis, but, with his size and skill set, I think he's one of the few pieces that fits the 3-4 on our team. I'm pretty sure its Gholston and Kemoeatu that suck.

And Buchanon as well as Holliday are good enough to stay IMO.

What do you all think of Lorenzo Alexander as our OLB opposite Orakpo.

SirClintonPortis · 12-07-2010, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Woah! Wait why do people want to cut Carriker? I mean I don't watch him on an every down basis, but, with his size and skill set, I think he's one of the few pieces that fits the 3-4 on our team. I'm pretty sure its Gholston and Kemoeatu that suck.

And Buchanon as well as Holliday are good enough to stay IMO.

What do you all think of Lorenzo Alexander as our OLB opposite Orakpo.

A lot of us are new to a 3-4. We just like talking out of our asses because he doesn't post up gaudy stats.

12-06-2010, 11:34 AM	#31
scott.sharrer Camp Scrub Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 25	Re: Offseason predictions I know a lot on here disagree, but we need to go after OL and DL in the first and second round. The last 2-3 years, OL and DL have been given more priority in the draft, and we need to make our move early. Shoring up the OL with really good young guys will give us the continuity we need along the line for years to come. Average running backs put up All-Pro numbers behind great lines. Look at Mike Bell when he was in Denver for an example. In the latter rounds, go after the BPA no matter the position. There will be alot of talented players available late in FA that we will be able to get cheap to fill the rest of the wholes. Players I think should be cut/traded Galloway Heyer Docker Rabach Hicks R. Williams Beck Sellers Portis Carriker Haynesworth Holliday Doughty Buchanon

12-06-2010, 11:42 AM	#32
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,828	Re: Offseason predictions Galloway was cut last week. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

12-06-2010, 03:11 PM	#35
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,828	Re: Offseason predictions AH is the only one from your list with any trade value. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

12-06-2010, 04:47 PM	#36
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: Offseason predictions Cut them all. Use the 1st and 2nd round pick for a RT and Center. Shore up the OL as best we can with young talent. Bring in a bunch of UFA's. We don't have crap now so whats the harm? get younger and healthier and faster. Look for a NT in FA and late in the draft (5th round). Pick up a FS, and LB late in the draft or FA. EDIT: I forgot WR.... pick up Vince Jackson and Whosyourmama. Cut Moss.

12-06-2010, 05:16 PM	#38
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Offseason predictions Heyer: Keep him Docker: See if you can trade him, will be tough though. Rabach: Cut Hicks: Cut R. Williams: Cut Beck: I'd keep I guess Sellers: CUTTTTTTTT Portis: Keep Carriker: Keep Haynesworth: Sigh... Holliday: Cut Doughty: Cut Buchanon: Keep Many of these guys weren't meant to be long term fixes anyway. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

12-06-2010, 06:45 PM	#42
SirClintonPortis Pro Bowl Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 6,052	Re: Offseason predictions I believe Carter is gone. They tried to do an already failed near-experiment with him, and it failed. Rocky - given Mike's inability to accepting rebuild, I think there's a chance he stays...at the right price. Rabach - I damn hope they saw how much better Monty was than him and Lich couldn't be much worse than him at center. Also, we need space for a TRUE GUARD, not 2 converted centers at G and yet another center. Golston - gone, I hope. He can't emulate Ngata. They deserve the label "incompetent" if they still keep him and still run the 3-4. __________________ Analysis using datasets (aka stats) is an attempt at reverse-engineering a player's "goodness". Virtuosity remembered, douchebaggery forgotten. The ideal character profile shoved down modern Western men and women's throats is Don Juan.

12-07-2010, 01:22 AM	#44
CultBrennan59 Pro Bowl Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 6,526	Re: Offseason predictions Woah! Wait why do people want to cut Carriker? I mean I don't watch him on an every down basis, but, with his size and skill set, I think he's one of the few pieces that fits the 3-4 on our team. I'm pretty sure its Gholston and Kemoeatu that suck. And Buchanon as well as Holliday are good enough to stay IMO. What do you all think of Lorenzo Alexander as our OLB opposite Orakpo. __________________ "Anyones better than Madieu Williams"

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