Rogers Ready to Move On

[Daseal]

I think that if Carlos leaves this board will be begging for his return before the first half of the season is over. There are some important issues to look at before shipping him away and calling him a bust.

1. Who will replace him? Kevin Barnes? No thanks. If we're able to get a top flight CB such as Asoughmaughausdhf then fine. Truth be told, I'd rather ship out D Hall for Asoughmaughausdhf than Rogers.

2. People act as if CBs are supposed to win games. CBs rarely win games for you, however a CB can often lose a game for you giving up a big pass late. Go ahead and look back at who gave up more big plays for wins. Carlos or Hall. There's a reason Hall gets thrown on all day, because he constantly makes big mistakes. Minus the one game with 3 picks where I think Hall must have had the wrong color jersey on, he was mediocre at best. Fans are fickle, just because he catches the ball means he's an amazing player. I want my outside guys to first and foremost lock down receivers, and PICKS are nice. Let the FS be the ballhawk.

3. Carlos should certainly catch some of the balls. I'm not saying that isn't his biggest weakness. However, I refuse to accept him being a bad or sub-par player because of that one issue. If he had better hands he'd be a top 10 CB in the NFL easy. As is, I think he's in the top 30 without question.

4. Since day one people have been pretty critical of Carlos and don't realize his value. If I were treated like that, I'd probably want out too. I also don't understand why people are angry he wants to get paid. We all do it in our professional careers, why is it so wrong for players to do that. Your market price is what someone will pay. If another company offered me a decent raise and the other intangibles were there -- goodbye current company. I have to look out for my own best interests, my company isn't going to do that for me.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I think that if Carlos leaves this board will be begging for his return before the first half of the season is over. There are some important issues to look at before shipping him away and calling him a bust.

1. Who will replace him? Kevin Barnes? No thanks. If we're able to get a top flight CB such as Asoughmaughausdhf then fine. Truth be told, I'd rather ship out D Hall for Asoughmaughausdhf than Rogers.

2. People act as if CBs are supposed to win games. CBs rarely win games for you, however a CB can often lose a game for you giving up a big pass late. Go ahead and look back at who gave up more big plays for wins. Carlos or Hall. There's a reason Hall gets thrown on all day, because he constantly makes big mistakes. Minus the one game with 3 picks where I think Hall must have had the wrong color jersey on, he was mediocre at best. Fans are fickle, just because he catches the ball means he's an amazing player. I want my outside guys to first and foremost lock down receivers, and PICKS are nice. Let the FS be the ballhawk.

3. Carlos should certainly catch some of the balls. I'm not saying that isn't his biggest weakness. However, I refuse to accept him being a bad or sub-par player because of that one issue. If he had better hands he'd be a top 10 CB in the NFL easy. As is, I think he's in the top 30 without question.

4. Since day one people have been pretty critical of Carlos and don't realize his value. If I were treated like that, I'd probably want out too. I also don't understand why people are angry he wants to get paid. We all do it in our professional careers, why is it so wrong for players to do that. Your market price is what someone will pay. If another company offered me a decent raise and the other intangibles were there -- goodbye current company. I have to look out for my own best interests, my company isn't going to do that for me.

couldn't agree more. i like to get on los for missing some int's, but he is a damn good cover corner. it's a shame when never took care of him before, this wouldn't even be an issue.

it's funny how people on this board rant and rave about building from the ground up just to say ah screw carlos we can find someone better, really? what is happening with los will hopefully cease to happen anymore, we never pay the good young talent we draft, we just pay up once and ship em out for the next guy. it's a shame los feels the way he does, i would love nothing more than for him to be a redskins lifer.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I think that if Carlos leaves this board will be begging for his return before the first half of the season is over. There are some important issues to look at before shipping him away and calling him a bust.

1. Who will replace him? Kevin Barnes? No thanks. If we're able to get a top flight CB such as Asoughmaughausdhf then fine. Truth be told, I'd rather ship out D Hall for Asoughmaughausdhf than Rogers.

Why not Kevin Barnes? Why are we so quick to dismiss Barnes, yet it's a problem to say Rogers has disappointed in his time here

2. People act as if CBs are supposed to win games. CBs rarely win games for you, however a CB can often lose a game for you giving up a big pass late. Go ahead and look back at who gave up more big plays for wins. Carlos or Hall. There's a reason Hall gets thrown on all day, because he constantly makes big mistakes. Minus the one game with 3 picks where I think Hall must have had the wrong color jersey on, he was mediocre at best. Fans are fickle, just because he catches the ball means he's an amazing player. I want my outside guys to first and foremost lock down receivers, and PICKS are nice. Let the FS be the ballhawk.

I don't have the number in front of me but I believe Los was targeted as many times as Hall, if not more. Though I may be mixing up years. But anyhow, the best corners do win games. And Rogers wants to be paid like one of the best

3. Carlos should certainly catch some of the balls. I'm not saying that isn't his biggest weakness. However, I refuse to accept him being a bad or sub-par player because of that one issue. If he had better hands he'd be a top 10 CB in the NFL easy. As is, I think he's in the top 30 without question.

But he doesn't want top 30 money. If he did, I suppose he'd be totally happy with his salary

4. Since day one people have been pretty critical of Carlos and don't realize his value. If I were treated like that, I'd probably want out too. I also don't understand why people are angry he wants to get paid. We all do it in our professional careers, why is it so wrong for players to do that. Your market price is what someone will pay. If another company offered me a decent raise and the other intangibles were there -- goodbye current company. I have to look out for my own best interests, my company isn't going to do that for me.

I don't begrudge him wanting to get money

[Daseal]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Why not Kevin Barnes? Why are we so quick to dismiss Barnes, yet it's a problem to say Rogers has disappointed in his time here



I don't have the number in front of me but I believe Los was targeted as many times as Hall, if not more. Though I may be mixing up years. But anyhow, the best corners do win games. And Rogers wants to be paid like one of the best



But he doesn't want top 30 money. If he did, I suppose he'd be totally happy with his salary



I don't begrudge him wanting to get money

I don't dislike Kevin Barnes as an option, but as an every down starting CB I don't feel very comfortable going into the season with him opposite D Hall. I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again, but I think it's a major downgrade. I like Barnes in the nickle right now.

You talk about targets which is a clever way of avoiding the question. I'm asking when 'Los was beat where it was a big play costing the skins the game. Targets are one thing, but big completions are another. Most of the completions on Carlos are short and stopped quickly.

If he wants top CB money, then I understand letting him walk. I think his market price is much higher than fans here seem to think. I think he's a 15-20CB in my eyes. I understand if we let him go because of financial reasons, but I think we underestimate what he brings to the table.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I don't dislike Kevin Barnes as an option, but as an every down starting CB I don't feel very comfortable going into the season with him opposite D Hall. I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again, but I think it's a major downgrade. I like Barnes in the nickle right now.

I hope we can re-sign Buchanon because Barnes will need all the help he can get. I have confidence that Barnes will do fine but we'll have to scheme in ways to mask his deficiencies.

You talk about targets which is a clever way of avoiding the question. I'm asking when 'Los was beat where it was a big play costing the skins the game. Targets are one thing, but big completions are another. Most of the completions on Carlos are short and stopped quickly.

Didn't know I was avoiding the question. Didn't even realize there was a question. But my point is Rogers has had plenty of opportunities to make plays and hasn't. It's not like he's Nnamdi and he's only thrown at like 1-2 or times a game

If he wants top CB money, then I understand letting him walk. I think his market price is much higher than fans here seem to think. I think he's a 15-20CB in my eyes. I understand if we let him go because of financial reasons, but I think we underestimate what he brings to the table.

And I think he overestimates it. He's a 30 year old DB who has never shown he's an elite level DB, yet wants to be paid as such. If he was an Eagle, we'd all be praising Andy Reid and the Eagles organization for being fiscally responsible with an aging talent

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I hope we can re-sign Buchanon because Barnes will need all the help he can get. I have confidence that Barnes will do fine but we'll have to scheme in ways to mask his deficiencies.



Didn't know I was avoiding the question. Didn't even realize there was a question. But my point is Rogers has had plenty of opportunities to make plays and hasn't. It's not like he's Nnamdi and he's only thrown at like 1-2 or times a game



And I think he overestimates it. He's a 30 year old DB who has never shown he's an elite level DB, yet wants to be paid as such. If he was an Eagle, we'd all be praising Andy Reid and the Eagles organization for being fiscally responsible with an aging talent

yeah, just looked his age up - born 7/2/81. The fact that any FA deal he signs will be closer to or after his b-day & the dreaded 3-0 really is bad timing for him.

On the other hand, he & his agent are aware of the market for cb's. I wouldn't be surprised if he can get 20% more elsewhere.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I think that if Carlos leaves this board will be begging for his return before the first half of the season is over. There are some important issues to look at before shipping him away and calling him a bust.

1. Who will replace him? Kevin Barnes? No thanks. If we're able to get a top flight CB such as Asoughmaughausdhf then fine. Truth be told, I'd rather ship out D Hall for Asoughmaughausdhf than Rogers.

2. People act as if CBs are supposed to win games. CBs rarely win games for you, however a CB can often lose a game for you giving up a big pass late. Go ahead and look back at who gave up more big plays for wins. Carlos or Hall. There's a reason Hall gets thrown on all day, because he constantly makes big mistakes. Minus the one game with 3 picks where I think Hall must have had the wrong color jersey on, he was mediocre at best. Fans are fickle, just because he catches the ball means he's an amazing player. I want my outside guys to first and foremost lock down receivers, and PICKS are nice. Let the FS be the ballhawk.

3. Carlos should certainly catch some of the balls. I'm not saying that isn't his biggest weakness. However, I refuse to accept him being a bad or sub-par player because of that one issue. If he had better hands he'd be a top 10 CB in the NFL easy. As is, I think he's in the top 30 without question.

4. Since day one people have been pretty critical of Carlos and don't realize his value. If I were treated like that, I'd probably want out too. I also don't understand why people are angry he wants to get paid. We all do it in our professional careers, why is it so wrong for players to do that. Your market price is what someone will pay. If another company offered me a decent raise and the other intangibles were there -- goodbye current company. I have to look out for my own best interests, my company isn't going to do that for me.

I completely agree too. I would go as far as to say he would be a top 5 corner if he made 8/10 or so of the interception oppertunies hes had over the last 2 years.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

I completely agree too. I would go as far as to say he would be a top 5 corner if he made 8/10 or so of the interception oppertunies hes had over the last 2 years.

But he doesn't, so he's not