Rogers Ready to Move On

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Yeah, you're right, Hall did give up what could have been the game winner. However, I believe that play came after a Carlos Rogers dropped pick. An EASY pick that would have ended the game. Instead, him not catching it gave the Cowboys more shots at the end zone...but you're right, scoring the Skins' only touchdown totally didn't do anything for them in that one...Hall SUCKS!

I'm not going to sit here and act like Hall is a great player, but your blind hatred of him is really turning you into a broken record. Let me get this straight: you want to ditch the guy who won the team two games last year by scoring touchdowns/getting picks, says "this is my defense" and at least talks like he likes it in Washington and keep the guy who takes every chance he can to take shots at the team he plays for...that makes sense.

At the end of the day, they both have their deficiencies and neither one are all that good. Carlos can cover and Hall can change games when he's actually close enough to a receiver, or the football, to get a pick. Really, if they somehow melded into one player with Rogers' coverage skills and Hall's ability to catch and score once he has the ball they'd make a great corner. Instead, we have one who gambles too much and another who does a good job of coverage and breaking on the ball, he just can't catch it...unfortunately the latter never keeps his mouth shut and likes to lambaste his employer; I say let him walk.

I would point out that as we've trended away from good play to play pass defense and towards more big play based defense, the overall results have not improved any. It was Blache at first that wanted to build the defense around Hall. Hall wasn't any good in 2009, and in a lot of ways, he was worse in 2010, and we've never managed to sustain as a high turnover defense in part because none of the defensive backs, Hall, Landry, Rogers, or even linebackers (Fletcher/McIntosh) are consistent big play performers.

Rogers, I think, often gets lambasted for something that the Redskins as a group simply don't execute well enough at. DeAngelo Hall isn't a consistent big play performer. LaRon Landry hasn't been, although I hold out hope. Rocky McIntosh has just as many epic fails per opportunity as anyone in the league. People love Fletcher for his consistency, but he is as bad as anyone at screwing up the easy big play. Reed Doughty has the same issue.

I think it's unfortunate that Rogers gets a rap for not making enough easy plays. I don't think it's completely misguided to say that. He has a nice, long fail reel. And even at his peak, quarterbacks still threw fairly often at Rogers.

Problem is, letting Rogers walk isn't going to make this a big-play defense. You have to start tearing down the infrastructure: McIntosh, Hall, Doughty, Kareem Moore, and the like, and then I would hope that Landry develops into more than just a devastating hitter, and that Kevin Barnes can become more of a turnover guy than Hall ever was, and then that we can draft some guys to put around them. Because right now, we have a lot of defensive backs that just can't make a play when the team needs it.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Carlos takes a swipe at Hall.......
Carlos Rogers takes a swipe at DeAngelo Hall | ProFootballTalk

Rogers has EVERY RIGHT to be bitter. Hall is GARBAGE as a cover corner and he tackles like a soft lil' bitch. I don't think either of them are going to Canton, but game in, game out, I want the guy that can cover and tackle. Think about it, Rogers has seen numerous free agents get paid here and a lot of them end up playing like crap. Yet the front office never seems to reward their own that have proven themselves. I hope those days are over. But Bruce Allen had a chance to give Rogers a raise and low balled him. Not right IMO.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Rogers has EVERY RIGHT to be bitter. Hall is GARBAGE as a cover corner and he tackles like a soft lil' bitch. I don't think either of them are going to Canton, but game in, game out, I want the guy that can cover and tackle. Think about it, Rogers has seen numerous free agents get paid here and a lot of them end up playing like crap. Yet the front office never seems to reward their own that have proven themselves. I hope those days are over. But Bruce Allen had a chance to give Rogers a raise and low balled him. Not right IMO.

Wow cowboy, Hall might be, as you put it, GARBAGE for not being a great tackler (which I don't know where you get that from), but then you'd have to say Roger's is GARBAGE also because he can't catch the ball. See both are CB's responsibilities and if you can't do one of them then your half good. Now I'll give Rogers credit that if he can't intercept the ball he atleast tries to make sure the WR does not get it. I honestly think your severely down playing Hall's tackling ability.

Halls 2010 highlights

YouTube - ‪DeAngelo Hall 2010...

I think he puts a pretty nice hit on someone at around 1:18. But it does seem to be special teams.

YouTube - ‪Washington Redskins Pro Bowl...

Carlos Roger 2010 highlights
None.

I guess when your really that good you don't need highlight reels.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I honestly think your severely down playing Hall's tackling ability.

..lol

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

..lol

and? Carlos never got owned? Ok.

[SBXVII]

I guess Rogers is yet another player who really doesn't get it. No one is trying to replace him. He can stay all he wants. But I'm betting he's going to ask for a mint and he's not worth it. Now if he's willing to sign another contract about the range of what he's making now then fine, but as other have said he's thinking payday and I'm guessing he might get a little humbled in the end. But that depends on the need at CB by other teams.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I guess Rogers is yet another player who really doesn't get it. No one is trying to replace him. He can stay all he wants. But I'm betting he's going to ask for a mint and he's not worth it. Now if he's willing to sign another contract about the range of what he's making now then fine, but as other have said he's thinking payday and I'm guessing he might get a little humbled in the end. But that depends on the need at CB by other teams.

It's not my intention to bad-mouth the guy because he may/or may not be leaving for greener pastures. If at this point in his career he's playing the game for the money and feels he may be able to make more someplace else...go for it, just don't become a Fred Smoot clone. Rogers does think he's better than Hall.

Carlos Rogers Thinks He’s Better Than DeAngelo Hall | Yardbarker.com

[firstdown]

Not only can he not catch a ball he is also a dumb ass. I'm not sure what his contract was but he had to make over two mill the past for years and he is broke. F*&^ him and his butter fingers. Thats what we need to call him from now on "BUTTER FINGERS" or just "DUMB ASS".

[Monkeydad]

Twice a year? Sure...lets do it, jerk.

Grossman will light him up. Hankerson will look like a giant against him...throw it up towards Carlos every play, he's not going to catch the ball.

Sorry, you don't imply you want to be on the Cowboys, Eagles or Giants while you're still a member of the Redskins...trader.

[SBXVII]

Wait.... I found a highlight reel.....

YouTube - ‪Eastern Motors Redskins Carlos Rogers Crushes Salesman‬‏

[SBXVII]

The ball bounce WAS luck. It could have gone anywhere and it just happened to land in front of him.

The stripping of the ball and picking it up more then likely skill. Otherwise OL would be playing skill positions.

[Monkeydad]

[SmootSmack]

I'm not sure why we as fans always feel the need to put down another player when talking about one player.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'm not sure why we as fans always feel the need to put down another player when talking about one player.

If this is in reference to anything I've said, I'm sick and tired of people bashing Rogers, yet hail D. Hall as if he's some hero. Rogers is more consistent at the CB spot than Hall will ever be, yet he gets all the glamour because he has ONE good game, and picks up a random bouncing ball for a TD. (yet gives up the most TDs, yards, 1st downs, etc..)

I've said why I think Rogers needs to go, and it's based off of his attitude.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

If this is in reference to anything I've said, I'm sick and tired of people bashing Rogers, yet hail D. Hall as if he's some hero. Rogers is more consistent at the CB spot than Hall will ever be, yet he gets all the glamour because he has ONE good game, and picks up a random bouncing ball for a TD. (yet gives up the most TDs, yards, 1st downs, etc..)

I've said why I think Rogers needs to go, and it's based off of his attitude.

Not in reference to anything you said. Though Hall has had more than one good game...and even if it were just one, it's probably one more than Rogers

But I digress, I think the opinion of Hall is pretty mixed. However, if we must compare the fact is the one thing that Rogers simply doesn't do, the one thing that (in my opinion at least) keeps him from being the elite CB he wants to be paid as is that he doesn't catch the damn ball. And that is something Hall does do.

But I'd prefer to look at it regardless of Hall. Is Carlos Rogers' good enough and will he continue to be good enough to warrant a huge paycheck. In my opinion...no