Chief X_Phackter
10-10-2006, 04:02 PM
sounds er, poetic. but there are plenty of teams that are effectively one or two people. see Philly w/o McNabb or Westbrook for ex. or the redskins w/o Portis etc etc.
If you go back and look at the Eagles last year they were missing a lot more than McNabb and Westbrook, and it seems to me that Portis was on the field for Washington against the Giants.
It's a team effort, bottom line. It's easy to blame it on one person, and there are instances where you can.
For example, take Arizona's game week before last. All Warner had to do was get the snap from the center and not fumble it. He fumbled it and they lost the game. That loss is Warners fault plain and simple. But the fact they were in the position to win the game at all wasn't because of one or two people.
CrazyCanuck
10-10-2006, 04:02 PM
Do you really want him throwing the ball up for grabs? Because that's what it sounds like you're suggesting. If only beating a D was that easy and only required the QB to 'try' throwing deep.
Unfortunately beating our D is that easy.
illdefined
10-10-2006, 04:02 PM
My simple point was we shouldn't discredit Brunell for getting the ball into the hands of his playmakers no matter how far the ball travels through the air.
I see it far too often around here. Brunell gets bashed to death when things go wrong, and when things go well it's a very reluctant praise from some people, if any at all.
People are ridiculously biased towards the guy and I don't get it. Isn't he a Redskin? Isn't he our QB? I'm not saying he doesn't have his faults or he should be beyond criticism but damn, I just don't get where all the animosity and bias towards him comes from.
well the problem last game was he couldn't get it in the hands of his playmakers enough. offensive line woes and the right defensive schemes attributed to all that, and those are based around his limits.
Brunell is a huge target simply because everyone knows his limits and know they're just getting bigger and bigger as each game rolls on. he's a QB in plain decline and doesn't represent the future of the franchise, so he's easy to scapegoat. he's 'in the way' of the hope that Jason Campbell represents, whose limitations aren't well known by everybody in the league already.
JC will obviously have his limits too, but in his case his youth at least allows for the potential to get better. Brunell on the other hand represents a dead end.
illdefined
10-10-2006, 04:06 PM
If you go back and look at the Eagles last year they were missing a lot more than McNabb and Westbrook, and it seems to me that Portis was on the field for Washington against the Giants.
yeah and do you remember Philly's record? yes, Portis was on the field, and as bad as it was, he represented most of our offense that game. just remember our offense this season without him, it was even worse.
Unfortunately beating our D is that easy.
ouch, the truth hurts
well the problem last game was he couldn't get it in the hands of his playmakers enough. offensive line woes and the right defensive schemes attributed to all that, and those are based around his limits.
Brunell is a huge target simply because everyone knows his limits and know they're just getting bigger and bigger as each game rolls on. he's a QB in plain decline and doesn't represent the future of the franchise, so he's easy to scapegoat. he's 'in the way' of the hope that Jason Campbell represents, whose limitations aren't well known by everybody in the league already.
JC will obviously have his limits too, but in his case his youth at least allows for the potential to get better. Brunell on the other hand represents a dead end.
I'll be really curious to see how patient people are with Campbell.
The unknown is always very appealing simply because it's not yet tainted.
illdefined
10-10-2006, 04:16 PM
I'll be really curious to see how patient people are with Campbell.
The unknown is always very appealing simply because it's not yet tainted.
you said it.
but youth is such a powerful thing though, remember how much patience a lot of us had with Ramsey just because he was relatively young and had the 'potential' to overcome his problems. in contrast, we're just squeezing the very last drops out of Brunell and there's not a lot of hope represented in that.
That Guy
10-10-2006, 04:20 PM
I'll be really curious to see how patient people are with Campbell.
The unknown is always very appealing simply because it's not yet tainted.
they'd be more patient, because campbell can get better, while brunell can only get worse. plus there's a lot of case study on how the first 16 games or so for a QB can be thrown away as a learning curve.
I was thinking back to Ramsey today and yeah we did have some patience with him, but that quickly faded too. Of course he didn't exactly help himself by making the same mistakes over and over.
illdefined
10-10-2006, 04:23 PM
maybe in the organization hope faded, but on the WarPath? a lot of us are STILL waiting for Ramsey to get on his game!