Brandon Lloyd is not a bust!

every player must seem to have skill before they become a bust. You can't exactly ever be a bust unless there are high expectations due to your prior skill.

Explain what he did on this team that showed he wasn't a bust. Was he open all the time and the QBs couldn't get it to him? I don't really feel that was the case. Now he had a bad year, so i am going to agree that he isn't a bust just yet. I say this because one bad year doesn't mean a bust. We'll see how he and jason work things out and see what happens next year.

That catch doesn't make him less of a bust. That catch makes him more of a bust because that is what he is capable of.

OMG are you serious ? Where in my thread says one good catch cancels anything?

IF YOUR ARGUMENT IS; (ONE CATCH DOESN'T DEFINE A CAREER) PLEASE DO NOT POST A REPLY TO THIS THREAD.

As for going MIA is there anything to back that up?

Like you went to a game and watched him and never got separation.

My argument is he has skills and his MIA is because of the quarterback and the system.

please reply with some insight.With all due respect, if you are going to put standards on a response to your arguement, you may want to apply similar standards to your own argument first.

From what I can tell, your argument is that it the QBs fault that Lloyd suck. He has played with guys like Cody Pickett and Ken Dorsey, but he's also played with guys like Tim Rattay, Mark Brunell, and Jason Campbell...and he still has yet to put together a solid season in 4 attempts.

He was a 4th round pick coming out of college, so the scouts didn't think much of him then and he hasn't done a whole lot to prove them wrong. He certainly has a talent for making unbelieveable catches, unfortunately its that and that alone that's kept him around for this long.

Ask his QBs how much of a help he is. Spectacular sideline catches are one thing, but I'm sure most QBs would rather have a guy who goes up in traffic and makes the tough catches.

With all due respect, if you are going to put standards on a response to your arguement, you may want to apply similar standards to your own argument first.

From what I can tell, your argument is that it the QBs fault that Lloyd suck. He has played with guys like Cody Pickett and Ken Dorsey, but he's also played with guys like Tim Rattay, Mark Brunell, and Jason Campbell...and he still has yet to put together a solid season in 4 attempts.

He was a 4th round pick coming out of college, so the scouts didn't think much of him then and he hasn't done a whole lot to prove them wrong. He certainly has a talent for making unbelieveable catches, unfortunately its that and that alone that's kept him around for this long.

Ask his QBs how much of a help he is. Spectacular sideline catches are one thing, but I'm sure most QBs would rather have a guy who goes up in traffic and makes the tough catches.


I don't classify Rattay, Brunell,and Campbell (As a Rookie)as good quarterbacks.

Do you think if he had Farve or Manning throwing to him he would be a bust?

wow, before pitifully attempting to call me out, why don't YOU try shedding some insight on why you made this ridiculous thread about why he ISN'T a bust since that's the widely held view of his career. If you want to make that assertion, what proof do you have that he isn't? like YOU went to every game and seen him get this separation.

I can point to the fact that he had the WORST SEASON of ANY starting wide receiver in the history of the super bowl era as proof that he goes mia. your response?

you're making excuses for him without any proof. you implied that he's not a bust and then link to a single catch on youtube follow by some retarded logic that only makes sense to you and contains no facts.

please, before asking someone to reply with actual insight, make sure you thread isn't completely worthless, and that you apply the same standards to your own posts.

hypocrite.

I don't classify Rattay, Brunell,and Campbell (As a Rookie)as good quarterbacks.

Do you think if he had Farve or Manning throwing to him he would be a bust?

there are plenty of WRs that can deal with crappy QBs, like boldin in arizona (or fitzgerald), randy moss had 1000 yards with kerry collins, joe horn with aaron brooks, etc etc etc.

that's a really bogus arguement. try again.

wow, before pitifully attempting to call me out, why don't YOU try shedding some insight on why you made this ridiculous thread about why he ISN'T a bust since that's the widely held view of his career. If you want to make that assertion, what proof do you have that he isn't? like YOU went to every game and seen him get this separation.

I can point to the fact that he had the WORST SEASON of ANY starting wide receiver in the history of the super bowl era as proof that he goes mia. your response?

you're making excuses for him without any proof. you implied that he's not a bust and then link to a single catch on youtube follow by some retarded logic that only makes sense to you and contains no facts.

please, before asking someone to reply with actual insight, make sure you thread isn't completely worthless, and that you apply the same standards to your own posts.

hypocrite.

When I called you out the "one catch doesn't define a career" was the only argument I was getting. I don't think that was an intelligent argument especially since my thread didn't imply that. Now if you are still defending your stupid argument that someone else already used before you go ahead.

As for my stupid logic . What's so hard to understand? Lloyd will not be a bust with a good quarterback and a better system.

My proof is I watched all of the redskins game last year. While watching them games I have seen Lloyd open several times especially deep with no one able to get him the deep ball.

Also his yards per catch average at 15.9 is among the best in the league topping Chad Johnson and Santana Moss.

And before you get on a roll about that fact I'm not claiming he is better than either of them players and I realize he had less catches.

My original thread should have stated

Brandon Lloyd is not a bust! YET

All I'm saying is give him a chance with a good system and quarterback before we call him a bust.

there are plenty of WRs that can deal with crappy QBs, like boldin in arizona (or fitzgerald), randy moss had 1000 yards with kerry collins, joe horn with aaron brooks, etc etc etc.

that's a really bogus arguement. try again.

Collins and Brooks look like Johnny Unitas compared to an injured Brunell last year.

Lloyd should have had at least one big game (Tampa) last year with Campbell. I say give him another year.

With the caveat that he is not a bust "Yet", I'd agree. However, I think he is well on the way. He had a reputation for making phenomenal catches in SF but then disappearing for games. He has done nothing to refute that reputation.

Besides, physical skills have never been an issue for Lloyd. Rather, it's the fact that he is a total head case that appears to be his stumbling block. He has apparently pissed off not only his teammates but everyone in Redskin Park down to the janitor. In a the Tampa game, he blames a dropped pass (that would have been an easy TD) on the fact that he was overthrown by 10 yards and, in doing so, throws his QB (Campbell) under the bus.

No, he's not a bust yet. Maybe with JC he will be a consistent downfield threat that will work to help his QB. I doubt it. But who knows - maybe he gets his mind right. 'Cause what we got now is a failure to communicate.

wbecker999, why would you call someone out for replying to your thread? I can assure you that whenever you post something, people will reply who agree and disagree. Each will back up thier arguments with different logic, sometimes emotional, sometimes statistical.

It is especially notable that you, with 50-ish posts, call out someone with 11,000+ posts for disagreeing with you. If one had to guess which one of the two of you would know when and why it would be appropriate to reply...

As far as LLoyd, I'm not sure if he will ever really come around as a reciever. I will say this. I, as probably every guy on this board has, watched every game last season as you did, and Lloyd has a tendency to fall down while making a catch. This is hurting him, but can possibly be corrected. His biggest contributions were in his blocking. I thought he was an outstanding blocker at WR and directly allowed some other guys to score TDs.

Still, to not be labeled a bust, he will have to become more consistent. Some of that is QB, but some of that is WR. This same argument was made for Taylor Jacobs and especially Rod Gardner (who went on to play with Favre and did nothing).