Don Imus

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12thMan
04-12-2007, 12:02 PM
If a Jewish man makes insults to another Jewish man using degrading remarks related to physical characteristics used to describe Jews by the Nazi's, it reveals a deep level of self-hatred , ignorance and a completely absent knowledge of their history. The reason a white person in the public or private sector should be held accountable for a racist remark against a non-white person is because the very language and racist meaning of the terms were created by whites to attempt to justify their superiority over all non-white people. Coon, Sambo, Negro were used to make an entire race feel that they were less than human. This is the history of America in black and white. Rappers are mental casualties of war who were left to survive for themselves in the streets of America with no real understanding of who they are , where they come from and how words can be used to empower or destroy a peoples minds.

Everything you said is on point and historically correct, so I have no bone to pick with this aspect of it. In fact, when something like this does come up, as did with Imus, it tends to be a lot of moving pieces to it and people tend to focus only on the comment(s) itself, as well they should.

I think the problem with Imus' comments, in particular, was that they were so degrading, sexist, and ,yes, racist. That being said, I think blacks tend to get a pass when saying such things and yet consider it base and immoral when a white man pretty much echoes those very sentiments.

In some kind of weird and twisted way, some black or a group of blacks have become an enabler to Imus in his views over the years.

Mike Wilbon wrote a very good article in yesterday's Post about the whole thing.

saden1
04-12-2007, 12:16 PM
If Imus is an idiot, what does that make this guy?

ABC News: Pa. DJ Fired for Repeating Imus Comments (http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=3031167)

An opportunist who bit more than he could chew?

SmootSmack
04-12-2007, 12:28 PM
And now the Rutgers womens team is going to be on Oprah today. I mean, enough is enough. Stop giving notice to this. Why aren't the Lady Vols on Oprah? They are the champions after all.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha
04-12-2007, 12:34 PM
Mike Wilbon wrote a very good article in yesterday's Post about the whole thing.

Yeah, his article (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/10/AR2007041001891.html) was definately a good one and it seems to confirm that Imus deserved to be fired.

On a related note, am I the only one who doesn't find Mind of Mencia dumb? The guy does nothing but try to appeal to base-level race jokes. Chris Rock makes a lot of such jokes, but his whole career doesn't rest upon them.

12thMan
04-12-2007, 12:34 PM
And now the Rutgers womens team is going to be on Oprah today. I mean, enough is enough. Stop giving notice to this. Why aren't the Lady Vols on Oprah? They are the champions after all.

Media. Everyone has to get their interview now. I've got a feeling we're just seeing the beginning of this.

I'll bet a shiny nickel quite a few rappers are taking note of all this. I'll bet some will drop such lyrics from their songs. Some will talk about the incident.

12thMan
04-12-2007, 12:37 PM
Yeah, his article (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/10/AR2007041001891.html) was definately a good one and it seems to confirm that Imus deserved to be fired.

On a related note, am I the only one who doesn't find Mind of Mencia dumb? The guy does nothing but try to appeal to base-level race jokes. Chris Rock makes a lot of such jokes, but his whole career doesn't rest upon them.

I think Mencia and Rock primarily appeal to their respective races. I say primarily because, the certain all attract all colors. But to Mencia...I can take him or leave him.

I mean, not to sound racist, but who are the marquee Hispanic comedians anyway?

SmootSmack
04-12-2007, 12:56 PM
I think Mencia and Rock primarily appeal to their respective races. I say primarily because, the certain all attract all colors. But to Mencia...I can take him or leave him.

I mean, not to sound racist, but who are the marquee Hispanic comedians anyway?

Well, there's SmootSmack, George Lopez,Redskins_P, Cheech Marin, Jamf, Greg Giraldo, La Conecion Malcolm

Mencia rips off Cosby

GhettoDogAllStars
04-12-2007, 01:02 PM
Well, there's SmootSmack, George Lopez,Redskins_P, Cheech Marin, Jamf, Greg Giraldo, La Conecion Malcolm

Mencia rips off Cosby

Mencia rips off everybody (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsq1uTLBHBc) (NSFW: language).

He's just not very talented.

Schneed10
04-12-2007, 01:07 PM
Here's an excellent article on the whole Imus ordeal. It's long, but if you have the time it's a great read.

It talks about how do we know where the line is on offensive comments? Paraphrasing a bit, comics are constantly throwing out racially charged jokes. "But there are as many lines in the sand as there are people."

We continually define where the lines are by discussing it, debating it. And when the Rutgers women stood up at their press conference and expressed their reaction, they drew a line in the sand that we could all agree on.

The Imus Fallout: Who Can Say What? | TIME (http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1609490-1,00.html)

12thMan
04-12-2007, 01:27 PM
Here's an excellent article on the whole Imus ordeal. It's long, but if you have the time it's a great read.

It talks about how do we know where the line is on offensive comments? Paraphrasing a bit, comics are constantly throwing out racially charged jokes. "But there are as many lines in the sand as there are people."

We continually define where the lines are by discussing it, debating it. And when the Rutgers women stood up at their press conference and expressed their reaction, they drew a line in the sand that we could all agree on.

The Imus Fallout: Who Can Say What? | TIME (http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1609490-1,00.html)


I'll check the article out in a minute. But as previously stated, I think he crossed the line when he specifically directed his comments at the players specifically, as opposed to making a general statement.

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