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celts32 02-08-2008, 04:09 PM This year will be a clearer picture as to what Vinny can do for us. In seasons past, it wasn't always clear as to who was actually controlling personnel. At times we didn't always know to give Gibbs or Vinny credit. Likewise, we didn't know to blame Gibbs or Vinny. We always assumed Gibbs made the right moves and Vinny the wrong ones. Maybe that's because it's so easy to blame VC. Still, as things stands for ol' Vinny now, it's all up to him. If we make some very bad choices in player personnel this year, we can sure as the world blame VC.
True but it's not just the Gibbs years, save for when Marty fired him Vinny has had some level of input every year in what has been a pretty mediocre tenure. Many people have been hired and fired since then...I would just like Dan to hold Vinny to the same level of expectations that he holds everyone else. I think the perception is that he's not because he has survived every coaching change without ever getting a finger pointed at him.
And Jerry Jones is not constantly being bashed for the way he does things; Why? because his team wins. The reason Snyder takes the heat is because his teams have not been winners on a consistent basis. If the Redskins were winning [the way fans like to see them win] all of this talk about Snyder would be an afterthought.
This has been discussed in other threads recently but in this decade the Cowboys aren't significantly better than the Redskins regarding wins and losses, and they haven't won a playoff game in forever either. Jones won back in the day with JJ, who let's face it had a great eye for talent and was mainly responsible for their success.
I honestly don't think the disdain for Snyder will ever completely go away. It comes and goes, but it seems whenever there's an opportunity to pounce, people jump all over him.
Longtimefan 02-08-2008, 04:31 PM One of the reasons, or maybe, THE reason his team has had winning seasons 3 of the last 5 years is he hired a football guy & gave him a lot of authority - the tuna. JJ has mellowed a lot too & has learned from his mistakes.
Don't forget he's been on the job 10 years longer than danny & is a couple decades+ older. The Danny will mellow & learn too. Either that or sell!!
You make a good point, sometimes I think we forget just how young Snyder is, and he's learning on the fly. He has had three playoff apearences in the eight yrs. he's owned the team, that's more than some owners can boast that have been owners' much longer than he has.
Skinny Tee 02-08-2008, 04:36 PM Other Names - Redskins Insider (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/02/other_names.html)
It seems the only candidate left is the one that is going to be selected by default.
This is just Fasseltastic!
Longtimefan 02-08-2008, 04:48 PM This has been discussed in other threads recently but in this decade the Cowboys aren't significantly better than the Redskins regarding wins and losses, and they haven't won a playoff game in forever either. Jones won back in the day with JJ, who let's face it had a great eye for talent and was mainly responsible for their success.
I honestly don't think the disdain for Snyder will ever completely go away. It comes and goes, but it seems whenever there's an opportunity to pounce, people jump all over him.
I agree Matty, and just can't help but wonder why Snyder takes so much blame for the way he operates when in reality it's so simular to the way JJ run the Cowboys.
You're probably correct when it comes to the disdain for Snyder though, and every now and then it apears to be open season.
Giantone 02-08-2008, 05:26 PM Is it true Snyder was pissed at Williams becuase he never told Joe Gibbs about the 10 men on the field thing when Sean Taylor died?As I understand it he feels if the head coach did'nt trust him no one can.
Defensewins 02-08-2008, 06:04 PM I agree Matty, and just can't help but wonder why Snyder takes so much blame for the way he operates when in reality it's so simular to the way JJ run the Cowboys.
You're probably correct when it comes to the disdain for Snyder though, and every now and then it apears to be open season.
There are two huge differences between Jerry Jones and Snyder:
1) JERRY Jones has won several Super Bowls; Mr. Snyder in 8 years still has to buy tickets to go to one.
2) Mr. Jones comes from a huge football background. He was a star Rb out of High school and received multiple scholarship offers to play at major NCAA Div I schools. He ended up at U of Arkansas with Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer.
Mr. Snyder has never been on or around any organized major football team.
Even his high school team that he was not on (B.C.C.) is perennially a terrible team. So I do not understand why he thinks he has the knowledge to be the final say in all player operations? He has proven over the last eight years he is not football savvy.
BrunellMVP? 02-08-2008, 06:09 PM I'm not sure he's losing respect, but I do believe he clearly miscalculated the coaching situation. i'm not one to criticize Snyder, mostly because I think he listened to what his coaches told him they needed (ie- why i so hard on the coaches). At this point, we erred in signing coordinators ahead of the head coach, and I think Snyder knows it. live and learn- I think he'll get it right soon. not a fan of Vinny- at all.
Dirtbag59 02-08-2008, 06:21 PM Chris Berman expresses my feelings on the Redskins coaching search
YouTube - Chris Berman Goes Crazy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnC8BtNBNLo)
Longtimefan 02-08-2008, 06:26 PM There are two huge differences between Jerry Jones and Snyder:
1) JERRY Jones has won several Super Bowls; Mr. Snyder in 8 years still has to buy tickets to go to one.
2) Mr. Jones comes from a huge football background. He was a star Rb out of High school and received multiple scholarship offers to play at major NCAA Div I schools. He ended up at U of Arkansas with Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer.
Mr. Snyder has never been on or around any organized major football team.
Even his high school team that he was not on (B.C.C.) is perennially a terrible team. So I do not understand why he thinks he has the knowledge to be the final say in all player operations? He has proven over the last eight years he is not football savvy.
I wouldn't argue with one single thing you said, but when ownership was transfered form the Cooke Foundation and Daniel Snyder asumed ownership, there was no criteria established that the new owner had to have a football background, or any previous association with the world of sports. Had that been the case, then perhaps Snyder would not have been able to purchase the team. Snyder is what he is, and unfortunately he's what we have to live with unless he decides to sell the team.
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