FISA with Telecom Immunity Passed

If I'm currect they can tap a suspect but then they have to get a court order or something like that to continue tapping that person. I just feel that this is a war that the terrorist are fighting from within so we have to give the goverment some powers to track them. Its not like they are taking up arms and saying hey lets have a war and fight this out. They will atack from within when ever they get the chance so we have to do what ever we can to stop them. I also think this should have been done behind closed doors with both parties working it out. The way it was done now makes it known to the terrorist that the goverment has the power to tap their comunications. We allready have made public to many of the ways we are fighting terrorist.

Basically, that is how it works. Basically. I fully expect this bill to come up again and be presented to Congress again if Obama get's in the White House. This isn't the last we've heard about this.

Brute force isn't always needed. ;)

The alternatives (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6098-2005Mar28.html) (dictionary attack and distributed net attack) are just as bad if the terrorist aren't absolute morons (I know, that's an oxymoron) and they choose a strong 256-bit key.

how come people are ok with this? if Bush wanted to revoke gun owners rights, in the interest of national security, would that be all right?

Are you calling al Qaeda?

Why are you so worried?

The alternatives (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6098-2005Mar28.html) (dictionary attack and distributed net attack) are just as bad if the terrorist aren't absolute morons (I know, that's an oxymoron) and they choose a strong 256-bit key.

Nope, dictionary and distributed brute force is not what I was implying.

Basically, that is how it works. Basically. I fully expect this bill to come up again and be presented to Congress again if Obama get's in the White House. This isn't the last we've heard about this.
Well Obama voted for the bill and if he thinks he is going to win the White House maybe he realized that he too will need this to fight terrorist.

Basically, that is how it works. Basically. I fully expect this bill to come up again and be presented to Congress again if Obama get's in the White House. This isn't the last we've heard about this.
The point about the Telecom immunity probably won't be able to be re-visited though, correct?

Are you calling al Qaeda?

Why are you so worried?
slowly stripping Americans of their rights. and the closest i came to calling al qaeda was ordering a pizza last Friday. would gun owners give up their right to bear arms, in the name of national security? some how, i don't think so. these guys running this country have proved time and time again, that they think they don't have to play by the rules. so that's why im worried

slowly stripping Americans of their rights. and the closest i came to calling al qaeda was ordering a pizza last Friday. would gun owners give up their right to bear arms, in the name of national security? some how, i don't think so. these guys running this country have proved time and time again, that they think they don't have to play by the rules. so that's why im worried
So then what is your opinion on Obama voting for the bill and I'm still not sure what rights have been stripped from you. This is nothing new. If a cop is called to your home for some reason he can not enter without your permission or without a warrant. Now if he susspects illegal activity he can then enter your home. Whats the difference.

Well Obama voted for the bill and if he thinks he is going to win the White House maybe he realized that he too will need this to fight terrorist.

It really was a no win situation for him as a candidate to be honest. On one hand, vote against it and you look weak on terrorism. Vote for it, you appear to slight the Constitution.

Also what isn't being reported is that earlier that same day Obama voted for a similiar bill, sponsored by Chris Dodd, that would have stripped out the immunity portion. It was defeated overwhelmingly. Later that day Obama voted for the other version of the bill that passed through the Senate.

Oh and the really sad part of it all is that if you use Skype or any other VOIP technology that's encrypted they can't spy on you. Skype's communication channel is encrypted with a 256 bit key. What does that mean? It means you're pretty fucked unless the terrorist are absolute morons:
NSA has the capability to decipher a 256 bit key in minutes. Otherwise this encryption technology wouldn't be available to the public.

While many of our politicians are not the "sharpest tacks in the box", the folks doing the work at NSA are pretty smart and they have almost limitless funding.

marxbitware.com - Cipher Strengths - Are They To Weak? (http://www.marxbitware.com/modules.php?name=AvantGo&op=ReadStory&sid=18)

Computerworld > Researcher finds RSA 1024-bit encryption not enough (http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/scrt/A3707480CD30489BCC2572ED00041F28)