GTripp0012
12-10-2008, 02:22 PM
JT looks extremely slow this year.
However, it would be foolish to think in one year's time that he's lost everything. I think alot of it has to do w/ the fact that:
1. He had his leg bent in a direction that it shouldn't go. There was about a 99.9% chance he'd be done for the year imo.
2. He's had surgery on his calf how many times this year? You can't tell me that doesn't make a difference.
3. He's a HOF DE and former MVP. He knows how to play.
I liked the deal when we did it. So, i'm not going to 2nd guess now. We had some bad luck. Maybe he'll be healthy next year.Good post. A lot of people were really happy with this deal when we did it, which is fine. But a lot of people who supported the deal have since turned on Taylor and Cerrato and that isn't fair. I admire your honesty.
GTripp0012
12-10-2008, 02:23 PM
I dont think the raiders do anything better then any team. Oakland is where players go to die.They defend the pass better than we do, and they have the best special teams units in the league. Those are two of our biggest weaknesses.
If you combined the best of the Redskins and Raiders...you'd still be a right tackle and a wide receiver short of a super bowl contender.
firstdown
12-10-2008, 02:52 PM
I think Dancing With The Stars made him light on his toes.
dmek25
12-10-2008, 03:18 PM
JT looks extremely slow this year.
However, it would be foolish to think in one year's time that he's lost everything. I think alot of it has to do w/ the fact that:
1. He had his leg bent in a direction that it shouldn't go. There was about a 99.9% chance he'd be done for the year imo.
2. He's had surgery on his calf how many times this year? You can't tell me that doesn't make a difference.
3. He's a HOF DE and former MVP. He knows how to play.
I liked the deal when we did it. So, i'm not going to 2nd guess now. We had some bad luck. Maybe he'll be healthy next year.
are we talking Jason Taylor, or Bruce Smith? alot of similarities. i liked the deal when it when down, but Taylor is obviously at the end of his career. let him go
mauiRedskinbarn
12-10-2008, 04:00 PM
sometimes it takes a year or two for a player to learn the system, and to learn how to play with different teammates. look at Joey Porter, he had a terrible year last year, now he's on the verge of being defensive mvp.
irish
12-10-2008, 04:04 PM
JT hasnt been healthy all year. I think they should keep him thru the end of his contract next year (hopefully be be healthy) and they send him on his way.
Carnage
12-10-2008, 04:18 PM
what if taylor is a system guy? porter (his replacement) is tearing the league apart
Taylor was there through like ten systems. Also Porter is not technically his replacement. Taylor was a 3-4 linebacker 2 seasons ago, last season he was a 4-3 end under Cameron and the current regime has returned to the 3-4.
Defensewins
12-10-2008, 04:26 PM
When I look at Taylor I see one thing....$8.5M of freed up cap space. He's a MAJOR liability in the run game and has generated ZERO pass rush, he's not even drawing double teams. He is terrible as an RDE. We'd be much better off going with the young DEs the rest of the way to see what we have for next year. They can't be any worse that Taylor. You can see it in his play, his hearts not in football anymore. He wants to be in Hollywood. Maybe we could work a trade with Oakland for a couple of draft picks....LOL.
You are exactly right. Taylor is past his prime, he is not the the defensive MVP he once was. I can not believe we gave up a 2nd round pick for him. I was against getting him for a 2nd round pick then and nothing has happened to change my opinion. We overpaid for him.
firstdown
12-10-2008, 04:27 PM
sometimes it takes a year or two for a player to learn the system, and to learn how to play with different teammates. look at Joey Porter, he had a terrible year last year, now he's on the verge of being defensive mvp.
That is a poor argument. DT has two main jobs to contain the outside and to rush the passer. Yes teams have them do different things but the job itself is the same. If he was doing better then below average that argument might hold but he is not even doing that. Porter is a LB and has alot of other duties that take time to learn.
Ruhskins
12-10-2008, 04:53 PM
You are exactly right. Taylor is past his prime, he is not the the defensive MVP he once was. I can not believe we gave up a 2nd round pick for him. I was against getting him for a 2nd round pick then and nothing has happened to change my opinion. We overpaid for him.
I'm sorry but there's no way anyone could have predicted what happened to JT this season. Yes, his signing fitted the mold of typical big free agents signing that this team has made in the past. However, when we signed JT, it made sense.
Honestly, I've always thought that the problem in the d-line came from the Defensive Tackles and not the rushers. I hope the team can go after someone like Haynesworth in the offseason. Our interior DTs need to be able to push the offensive line and disrupt the opponents pass or run.