WaldSkins
12-16-2008, 06:04 PM
What Vinny says here is really really stupid. First he says not to draft for need, then he says we have the west coast offense and it NEEDS big wr's. So isn't it funny how we draft two big wr's in the 2nd round? Sorry Vinny but we drafted for need. He is one dumb dude who would never have a job in the NFL if it wasn't for Snyder. You see when Marty fired him no came knocking on his door. But with that being said, I think he deserves two more years of running things by himself. Everyone wants to blame him for all of the past moves, but some of that falls on Gibbs.
I like how you give an example of how Vinny contradicted himself and then you bad mouth him, which leads you to say that he should be given two more years. If he is "really really stupid" why would you want him here for two more years.?????
maroonandblack30
12-16-2008, 06:12 PM
See #2
http://www.thewarpath.net/370946-post1.html
Every other post these days is about someone associated with the team, usually Vinny, being an idiot. I thought maybe the thread title for this should be a bit more specific
Please....
Dirtbag59
12-16-2008, 06:27 PM
I think it's funny that, prior to the draft, nearly everyone on this board agreed in the Pioli principle of drafting the best player available. Now that it appears that we need linemen, most people seem to have done a 180. For the record, I've always believed in the "blended" model whereby you take the best player available at a position of need.
I remember after the first day of the draft I was pissed, with most of my immediate day 1 thoughts being placed in the Kareem Moore thread (you can see it if you click on the link to the original post on the quotes I placed at the bottom). I couldn't believe we went after three receivers when we had needs elsewhere.
Funny thing was my friend who watched the draft with me wasn't to pleased either saying that his team (Falcons) gave up to much to get back into the first round. Eventually I decided to drink the kool aid and give Vinny's BPA explanation a chance to prove itself. Since then I regret the decision but Sheriff is right about the 180's. A lot of us have done a 180, even though mines is more like a 360. At the very least I have a history of lobbying for us to build up front as seen partly in my last mock the day before the draft as well as the various other lineman that I was hoping we'd take a chance on. Of course this mock was based in part on what I honestly thought the team was going to do based on pre-draft rumors and visits, but it also included a few personal preferences.
http://www.thewarpath.net/442502-post302.html
Either way I think a lot of us should take this season as a leason and make sure we as fans no longer tolerate our front office constant neglect of our offensive and defensive lines in favor of players at sexier positions like Reciever.
Also thanks for the props XXVI.
No offense but who cares, the team threw the draft. Dan Snyders going to have to learn the hard way that you don't win with the passing game. Sorry man, not towards you it's just right now I don't really care, and I'm kind of pissed that I put so much faith into the braintrust of my favorite team.
I actually didn't mind the Fred Davis pick. My two biggest fears right now as a Redskin fan is loosing Cooley or Samuals to injury. I just don't know why they want to wait so long to adress the line. I mean it's not like they have a track record of finding good offensive lineman in the 4th 5th and 6th rounds.
Also I think that with the way things are going they'll take Josh Johnson with one of their next two picks. After that they'll hopefully take an O-Lineman and then they'll draft Marcus Dixon in the 6th round. 7th round we'll probably see a corner and maybe the Safety Kareem Moore. Anyway I know the drafts not over but still I don't like the idea of drafting 3 pass catchers.
Though it will be fun to see them sub guys in and out to create mismatches.
Defensewins
12-16-2008, 06:40 PM
I think it's funny that, prior to the draft, nearly everyone on this board agreed in the Pioli principle of drafting the best player available. Now that it appears that we need linemen, most people seem to have done a 180. For the record, I've always believed in the "blended" model whereby you take the best player available at a position of need.
Not me.
I am neither a "needs" or a "best athlete available" draft theory person.
There are a lot less big (in size) athletes in our population. There are a lot less quality athletes that are 6'4" to 6'7" and 300 pounds then there are 5'9' to 6'4" and 220 pounds athletes in our population. Lineman are in big pileups and can get hurt more frequently, so it is important to have good backups.
I believe in drafting defense and size (O & D lineman)first, when you can. You can always trade a quality defensive player or lineman and get value in return.
There are always quality skill position players available every off season, but there are not many quality lineman or defensive players, they are a hot commodity.
You do not draft a punter or a kicker.
Drift Reality
12-16-2008, 06:45 PM
People are reading this wrong. He wanted to draft a O Line but the ones we thought worth drafting were gone. So we did not draft an O Lineman just for need and that what he was saying. He has made his mistakes but what he said made sense but his delievery was not the best.
No, Cerrato is coming off looking like an idiot. As many here point out he says you don't draft for need and then says that they needed tall receivers to run the west coast offense. Then he says there was a load of linemen they wanted but they were all gone by their pick...uh....maybe project and draft up then??
You don't always have to move back or stand pat.
Anyway, Cerrato is just throwing some smoke screen out there. I'm sure Danny was making the picks or at least told Cerrato to go get some offensive guys.
See #2
http://www.thewarpath.net/370946-post1.html
Every other post these days is about someone associated with the team, usually Vinny, being an idiot. I thought maybe the thread title for this should be a bit more specific
Good call.
Drift Reality
12-16-2008, 06:48 PM
Vinny Cerratto reminds of George W. Bush. Nobody really loves the guy. We all tolerate him because he is in power. I wonder if he can dodge a shoe like W?
At least Bush had a term limit.
Defensewins
12-16-2008, 06:50 PM
At least Bush had a term limit.
LOL!
And Bush can dodge a high and fast smelly one.
Drift Reality
12-16-2008, 06:53 PM
I honestly think it's sad there is nothing that can be done about a terrible owner. I wish there was some democratic system through which NFL owners could somehow be voted out of the league if they were deemed incompetent. I guess there would be too much turnover in the NFL for that to happen.
Slingin Sammy 33
12-16-2008, 07:12 PM
- Pat Sims - DT - Auburn - Looks like he's having a productive season for Bengals in all honesty it looks like he would have been a good fit here
- Ray Rice - RB - Rutgers - Honestly would have rather gotten Kelly.
So in retrospect, knowing how the draft turned out and looking at how this season turned out I think our ideal draft should have been as follows.
48th - Pat Sims - DT - Auburn - We get the big guy up the middle to help create a push and take pressure off our DE's.
Didn't someone draft Sims for us in the Warpath Mock Draft :)