Saints Hire Gregg Williams for D-Coordinator Job

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53Fan
01-16-2009, 11:26 PM
We all remember Warrick Holdman.

:doh: I remember and still don't understand why.

mooby
01-17-2009, 02:24 PM
Honestly I think this is a great pairing. G-Will might be just the guy to take that underachieving unit and turn it into something good. He's already got a nice pair of bookends in Will Smith and Charles Grant (even though they underachieved last season), he's got a young guy in Sedrick Ellis who is supposed to be an up and comer, and with Vilma at mike and a pretty decent linebacking corps all he has to do is fix up the secondary and they should be a pretty good defensive team. I wouldn't be suprised if he had that defense turned around next season.

SBXVII
01-17-2009, 02:54 PM
Wow. Combine his attack style with Brees and that offense, and that team could be VERY dangerous in two years. They're already competitive now on the strength of the offense alone.

Yea I thought it was stupid of the Jags to let him go. No team picks up his defense any sooner then 2 yrs and they usually suck the first yr. They will be a great team in 2 yrs so long as the offense can last that long.

Kinda had a small sincere soft spot for the gold helmet's and crosses. LOL. I always felt like they were the Lions. Good to see they have over come their losing yrs.

Trample the Elderly
01-17-2009, 04:16 PM
I'm curious? Why the hell did he get fired in Washington? No one has been able to explain that to me? We were a defensive team centered around the run while he was here, he had for the most part a good record, and the players liked him and respected him.
With consistency being important for our team why did Dan not hire him for the head coach and bring in Z? I liked Greg Williams especially when he chewed out mister "I didn't make any mistakes" for fumbling the football.
I like Z but I think we'd be a better team if GW was the head coach now IMO. If anything Z could've been brought in as the Offensive coordinator and GW could've been HC?
Stick with what's working and try to improve what isn't? That's just me. I try to make things simple and easy to understand.

Defensewins
01-17-2009, 04:19 PM
Word on the street is after Gibbs left, GW's interview with Danny Boy did not go well. GW said he wanted Vinny Bag of Doughnuts gone if he were Head Coach. Snyder, who loves Vinny and can not live with out him quickly fired GW.

The Goat
01-17-2009, 04:42 PM
Word on the street is after Gibbs left, GW's interview with Danny Boy did not go well. GW said he wanted Vinny Bag of Doughnuts gone if he were Head Coach. Snyder, who loves Vinny and can not live with out him quickly fired GW.

I heard that at the time but cannot remember the source. I also remember hearing that Williams respected Saunders and thought he should have control of the offense while Danny/Vinny wanted nothing to do w/ Saunders. Ultimately, Danny chose to go into rebuild mode instead of building on what we had (rebuilding both in terms of leadership and offensive system, for instance I think it was apparent by end of '08 Williams was a leader as much as Gibbs and I specifically remember several players speaking to that during and after the search for a new HC.) Danny didn't exactly blow up the team because Blache stepped in and retained a very effective defense; however in terms of team leadership and the entire offense it seems obvious we're in rebuild mode once again.

While speculation is cheap my best intuition is that w/ Williams as HC and Saunders most likely in control of the offense we'd be better than 8-8 and maybe much better as Saunders offense always yields bigger dividends over time. Oh well, I wholeheartedly want Zorn to have tremendous success now that he's here. In fact I think his success is critical because, just guessing again here, I highly highly doubt another high quality, high character HC will work for Dan Snyder for a very long time. It's Vinny, it's the way Danny handled the Spags circumstance, and not least how Danny handled the situation w/ Williams who regardless of what some rather bitter Skins fans might say is extremely well respected in the NFL, altogether I just don't see anyone great working for Snyder.

Paintrain
01-17-2009, 05:19 PM
I heard that at the time but cannot remember the source. I also remember hearing that Williams respected Saunders and thought he should have control of the offense while Danny/Vinny wanted nothing to do w/ Saunders. Ultimately, Danny chose to go into rebuild mode instead of building on what we had (rebuilding both in terms of leadership and offensive system, for instance I think it was apparent by end of '08 Williams was a leader as much as Gibbs and I specifically remember several players speaking to that during and after the search for a new HC.) Danny didn't exactly blow up the team because Blache stepped in and retained a very effective defense; however in terms of team leadership and the entire offense it seems obvious we're in rebuild mode once again.

While speculation is cheap my best intuition is that w/ Williams as HC and Saunders most likely in control of the offense we'd be better than 8-8 and maybe much better as Saunders offense always yields bigger dividends over time. Oh well, I wholeheartedly want Zorn to have tremendous success now that he's here. In fact I think his success is critical because, just guessing again here, I highly highly doubt another high quality, high character HC will work for Dan Snyder for a very long time. It's Vinny, it's the way Danny handled the Spags circumstance, and not least how Danny handled the situation w/ Williams who regardless of what some rather bitter Skins fans might say is extremely well respected in the NFL, altogether I just don't see anyone great working for Snyder.
You know, I was never really a Grilliams guy and never thought much of him as a HC 'replacement' but that being said I think you could be right or at least if there was a 'two year' ultimatum in place as rumored, he and Saunders should have had that two years to build off of their existing work and then blow it up if it didn't sustain or improve.

SFREDSKIN
01-17-2009, 05:22 PM
Word on the street is after Gibbs left, GW's interview with Danny Boy did not go well. GW said he wanted Vinny Bag of Doughnuts gone if he were Head Coach. Snyder, who loves Vinny and can not live with out him quickly fired GW.

And I guess since all the teams that have hired a coach so far passed on him, maybe we made the right choice in hiring Zorn? I think so.

Defensewins
01-17-2009, 05:23 PM
I heard that at the time but cannot remember the source. I also remember hearing that Williams respected Saunders and thought he should have control of the offense while Danny/Vinny wanted nothing to do w/ Saunders. Ultimately, Danny chose to go into rebuild mode instead of building on what we had (rebuilding both in terms of leadership and offensive system, for instance I think it was apparent by end of '08 Williams was a leader as much as Gibbs and I specifically remember several players speaking to that during and after the search for a new HC.) Danny didn't exactly blow up the team because Blache stepped in and retained a very effective defense; however in terms of team leadership and the entire offense it seems obvious we're in rebuild mode once again.

While speculation is cheap my best intuition is that w/ Williams as HC and Saunders most likely in control of the offense we'd be better than 8-8 and maybe much better as Saunders offense always yields bigger dividends over time. Oh well, I wholeheartedly want Zorn to have tremendous success now that he's here. In fact I think his success is critical because, just guessing again here, I highly highly doubt another high quality, high character HC will work for Dan Snyder for a very long time. It's Vinny, it's the way Danny handled the Spags circumstance, and not least how Danny handled the situation w/ Williams who regardless of what some rather bitter Skins fans might say is extremely well respected in the NFL, altogether I just don't see anyone great working for Snyder.

You bring up a good point. While Snyder is not as bad as someone like Al Davis, Snyder does turn off people like Davis.
There is another thread about Gruden getting fired. On it folks speculated and also joked about Gruden going back to the Raiders. Then they go and describe a situation where top coaches will not want to coach the Raiders as long as Davis is there.
Sndyer and the Redskins do need to be careful. While the Redskins are not as bad a situation as the Raiders, there certainly was not a line of top coaches at Snyder's door wanting in.

Defensewins
01-17-2009, 05:25 PM
And I guess since all the teams that have hired a coach so far passed on him, maybe we made the right choice in hiring Zorn? I think so.

I am glad you are happy with 8-8. I am not.

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