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tryfuhl 04-20-2009, 10:18 PM I don't remember Snyder starting any lawsuits to push the issue early, I could be mistaken though. And he was just a minority partner to Milstein. Plus, the bidding had already opened before Snyder became involved. Why should he have waited? Joe Gibbs was involved with another ownership group. Should we look down on him as well?
If we're going to blame it on anyone it should fall squarely on the shoulders of JKC. He wanted the money for his charity; why would he want the family to sell just to have them buy it back? The man knew that it was leaving the family.
Lotus 04-20-2009, 10:18 PM It may be the case but there was a bit of time that elapsed before Snyder's approval came through. It wasn't exactly an overnight scenario.
No, we're talking $800 million, so it was not overnight. Please understand that I was summarizing. Let's say that I see the drama playing out that way in slower motion.
Beemnseven 04-20-2009, 10:21 PM I thought the Estate (death) tax figured into the equation too.
tryfuhl 04-20-2009, 10:23 PM I thought the Estate (death) tax figured into the equation too.
It's a hell of a country when you get taxed on that. Not to mention the lawyer's cut.
Beemnseven 04-20-2009, 10:26 PM It's a hell of a country when you get taxed on that. Not to mention the lawyer's cut.
Oh man, don't get me started ... this thread will get transferred to the Parking Lot real quick.
Lotus 04-20-2009, 10:36 PM If we're going to blame it on anyone it should fall squarely on the shoulders of JKC. He wanted the money for his charity; why would he want the family to sell just to have them buy it back? The man knew that it was leaving the family.
In my account above I did blame Jack Kent Cooke. He created a huge mess.
However, it was John Kent Cooke's impression that his dad intended him to have the team. Apparently his father told him that much. Apparently the elder Cooke wanted to both raise money for charity and make sure that his son REALLY cared about the team. I've seen no evidence that the elder Cooke wanted or expected the team to leave the family.
Just to play what-if, what if your father wanted to leave you the family house, but he wanted you to put the financing together to buy it, so that he could be assured from beyond the grave that you really cared and that you had some financial savvy? And what if, while you were still getting the financing together, I leapt into the breach and bought your family house from under you, even though I knew you were trying to get the financing together? Would you not consider me to be a snake?
Lotus 04-20-2009, 10:40 PM I don't remember Snyder starting any lawsuits to push the issue early, I could be mistaken though. And he was just a minority partner to Milstein. Plus, the bidding had already opened before Snyder became involved. Why should he have waited? Joe Gibbs was involved with another ownership group. Should we look down on him as well?
Joe Gibbs was trying to launch a bid. So was Peter Angelos of the Orioles. But neither of these groups got close. Perhaps they were intentionally moving slowly out of respect for the Cooke family legacy as I described. Whatever happened, they never showed the disrespect that I feel Snyder did. So, no, I do not feel the same way about them.
Skins4L 04-21-2009, 12:03 AM 1. Trading For Portis
2. Trading For Portis LOL
3. Making the Skins a top 5 Franchise again.
4. Getting Rid of Spurrier
5. Bringing Back Gibbs.
lol agreed
tryfuhl 04-21-2009, 01:51 AM In my account above I did blame Jack Kent Cooke. He created a huge mess.
However, it was John Kent Cooke's impression that his dad intended him to have the team. Apparently his father told him that much. Apparently the elder Cooke wanted to both raise money for charity and make sure that his son REALLY cared about the team. I've seen no evidence that the elder Cooke wanted or expected the team to leave the family.
Just to play what-if, what if your father wanted to leave you the family house, but he wanted you to put the financing together to buy it, so that he could be assured from beyond the grave that you really cared and that you had some financial savvy? And what if, while you were still getting the financing together, I leapt into the breach and bought your family house from under you, even though I knew you were trying to get the financing together? Would you not consider me to be a snake?
If it went to auction apparently that would be a risk that my father was willing to take and I'd question whether he truly wanted me to have it. It's not necessarily like John was guaranteed the team, it was a competition. John had been VP for what, almost 20 years? I'm sure he was decently trusted by then.
But all of that is speculation.
tryfuhl 04-21-2009, 01:52 AM Joe Gibbs was trying to launch a bid. So was Peter Angelos of the Orioles. But neither of these groups got close. Perhaps they were intentionally moving slowly out of respect for the Cooke family legacy as I described. Whatever happened, they never showed the disrespect that I feel Snyder did. So, no, I do not feel the same way about them.
Angelos, that makes me shudder
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