Preseason Game 1 Quick Hitters: First of all, calm the hell down

My god the preseason just started and I already can't wait for it to be over with.

So, if I understand you right, your concern is that the first preseason game is a continuation of the struggles we ended the previous year with. And you're thinking what in the world have we been doing all off-season and mini-camp and OTAs and training camp if we're no better? And I can understand that frustration. What I thought you were saying, and maybe you are, was that last preseason's offensive struggles led right into the same during the regular season. And that wasn't really the case because we got off to a pretty strong start

yes,you understand me right.And I do believe last yrs preseason struggles led into reg season.First game we scored 7 points,then we played one of the leagues worst defs and had our best off output and had a decent 4 game stretch.After that points were very hard to come by.4 games out of 16.I would say those 4 games were anamoly,and most of the time we looked like we did in preseason.But thats just my opinion,you obviously have a different opinion,and thats fine,thats what the board is here for.

All I was trying to say was last preseason{after lack of scoring points} half the board was freaking out,the other half said it was gonna be cool,that its too early to tell yet either way,but if are scoring troubles continue thru preseason then were probably in big trouble
(unless of course our def is kick ass and holds opponents to under 14 points a game}

My god the preseason just started and I already can't wait for it to be over with.

yeah,wait till the first reg season game and we only score 3 points:laughing2

yeah,wait till the first reg season game and we only score 3 points:laughing2

Bite your tongue, boy. :)

Can we wait a couple of weeks to have this conversation? It makes no sense to be making generalizations/projections after the first team O has had all of two offensive series. Let's see a couple more games first.

Bite your tongue, boy. :)

Can we wait a couple of weeks to have this conversation? It makes no sense to be making generalizations/projections after the first team O has had all of two offensive series. Let's see a couple more games first.

yeah, but Campbell only completed 3 passes. CP has 0 yds. Moss couldn't get open. And and and ...

I still predict we are gonna beat the NYG opening day!!!

Bite your tongue, boy. :)

Can we wait a couple of weeks to have this conversation? It makes no sense to be making generalizations/projections after the first team O has had all of two offensive series. Let's see a couple more games first.

lol,that wasnt a prediction,I meant that if he thinks its bad now,if that was to happen in the first game then the board would explode!

The Lions won their first game. They were UNDEFEATED last year in preseason.

End of discussion.

I guess I'm wondering how all the folks saying "calm down, it's just the preseason" would be acting if our offense came out and lit it up against the Ravens. My guess is the majority wouldn't be calm at all. We'd probably be 16-0 already. It goes both ways.

On a side note, the Giants first teamers looked pretty damn good last night. They ran roughshod over a Panthers D with Peppers, Gamble, etc all in the game. And their D was all over the Panthers QBs. I think their receiving game is going to be a work in progress with all those young and inexperienced guys, but it would really be nice to see our starters march down and score like theirs did, even if it is "just the preseason."

I guess I'm wondering how all the folks saying "calm down, it's just the preseason" would be acting if our offense came out and lit it up against the Ravens. My guess is the majority wouldn't be calm at all. We'd probably be 16-0 already. It goes both ways.

On a side note, the Giants first teamers looked pretty damn good last night. They ran roughshod over a Panthers D with Peppers, Gamble, etc all in the game. And their D was all over the Panthers QBs. I think their receiving game is going to be a work in progress with all those young and inexperienced guys, but it would really be nice to see our starters march down and score like theirs did, even if it is "just the preseason."

No, if we won 23-0, I'd still be saying "it's still preseason".

If preseason meant anything, Colt Brennan would be the reigning NFC Offensive Player of the Year, Rookie of the Year and Super Bowl MVP.

The teams you've mentioned have certainly had a fair share of mid to late round picks, but let's see if it's actually true that they drafted well and consistenly find quality starters. Let's take a look at rounds 4-7 from 2006 through 2008

New England Patriots (2008)

4th round: Jonathan Wilhite (CB) 2nd on depth chart
5th round: Matt Slater (WR) 2nd on depth chart
6th round: Bo Ruud (LB) on the Browns now (spent rookie year on IR, waived in April)

New England Patriots (2007)

4th round: Kareem Brown (DT) On the Jets now (waived in 2007 after 11 games on the inactive roster by Pats)
5th round: Clint Oldenburg (T) On the Broncos now (waived before 2007 season by Pats)
6th round: Justin Rogers (LB) On the Cowboys now (waived before 2007 season by Pats)
6th round: Mike Richardson (DB) 3rd on depth chart
6th round: Justise Hairston (RB) On Bills now (Waived in September 2007 by Pats)
6th round: Corey Hilliard (T) On Colts now
7th round: Oscar Lua (LB) not in league right now
7th round: Mike Elgin (G) not in league right now

New England Patriots (2006)

4th round: Garrett Mills (RB) On Vikings now (waived by Pats in fall 2007)
4th round: Stephen Gostkowski (K) He's good
5th round: Ryan O'Callaghan (T) 3rd on the depth chart
6th round: Jeremy Mincey (DE) On Jaguars now (practice squad with Patriots)
6th round: Dan Stevenson (G) not in league right now
6th round: Le Kevin Smith (DT) 2nd on depth chart
7th round: Willie Andrews (CB) not in league right now

So that's 18 draft picks; one starter; three guys who are 2nd on depth chart (12 guys not on the team anymore)

Indianapolis Colts (2008)

4th round: Jacob Tamme (TE) 3rd on depth chart
5th round: Marcus Howard (DE) 3rd on depth chart
6th round: Tom Santi (TE) 4th on depth chart
6th round: Steve Justice (C) 2nd on depth chart
6th round: Mike Hart (RB) 3rd on depth chart, recovering from major injury
6th round: Pierre Garcon (WR) someone to watch out for as a #3 WR this year
7th round: Jamey Richard (C) 2nd on depth chart

Indianapolis Colts (2007)

4th round: Brannon Condren (DB) not in league right now (waived halfway through 2007 season by Colts)
4th round: Clint Session (LB) starting LB
5th round: Roy Hall (WR) not in league right now
5th round: Michael Coe (DB) 4th on depth chart
7th round: Keyunta Dawson (DT) 2nd on depth chart at LDE, 42 career tackles

Indianapolis Colts (2006)

5th round: Michael Toudouze (G) 3rd on depth chart
6th round: Charlie Johnson (T) 10 game starter in 2007, 16 game starter in 2008
6th round: Antoine Bethea (SS) starter at Free Safety
7th round: TJ Rushing (DB) 3rd on depth chart (starter at punt returner)

16 picks; 4 starters; 2 backups (1 guy not on the team anymore)

New York Giants (2008)

4th round: Bryan Kehl (OLB) 2nd on depth chart
5th round: Jonathan Goff (LB) 2 career tackles, not even sure he's still on the team
6th round: Andre Woodson (QB) Practice Squad, I think
6th round: Robert Henderson (DE) injured reserve

New York Giants (2007)

4th round: Zak DeOssie (LB) 2nd on depth chart
5th round: Kevin Boss (TE) starter at TE
6th round: Adam Koets (T) 2nd on depth chart
7th round: Michael Johnson (S) starter
7th round: Ahmad Bradshaw (RB) great, great pick

New York Giants (2006)

4th round: Barry Cofield (NT) starter
4th round: Guy Whimper (T) Practice squad, I think
5th round: Charlie Peprah (DB) on Packers now (think he spent 2006 on Giants PS)
7th round: Gerrick McPhearson (DB) not in league right now (2006 Giants PS)

13 picks; 4 starters; 2 backups (2 guys, at least, not on the team anymore)

Pittsburgh Steelers (2008)

4th round: Tony Hills (T) 2nd on depth chart
5th round: Dennis Dixon (QB) 3rd on depth chart
6th round: Mike Humpal (LB) not in league right now
6th round: Ryan Mundy (FS) 2nd on depth chart

Pittsburgh Steelers (2007)

4th round: Daniel Sepulveda (P) Was hurt last year, but he's good
4th round: Ryan McBean (DE) On Broncos now (played one game as a Steeler)
5th round: Cameron Stephenson (G) On Jaguars now (cut before 2007 season by Steelers)
5th round: William Gay (DB) starter
7th round: Dallas Baker (WR) 3rd on depth chart

Pittsburgh Steelers (2006)

4th round: Willie Colon (T) starter
4th round: Orien Harris (DT) On Lions now (did nothing with the Steelers)
5th round: Omar Jacobs (QB) not in league right now (cut before 2006 season by Steelers)
5th round: Charles Davis (TE) on Chargers now
6th round: Marvin Phillip (C) on Bills now
7th round: Cedric Humes (RB) not in league right now

15 picks; 2 starters, 2 backups (8 guys not on the team anymore)

From 2006 through 2008 the Redskins have had 15 draft picks from round 4 through 7; 1 starter and 5 backups (5 guys not on the team anymore)

In conclusion...you're wrong

SmootSmack, I appreciate the homework but I'm puzzled by your conclusion. Based on the stats you quoted, here is a summary.

Patriots: 18 picks; 1 starter; 3 2nd on depth chart (12 cuts)
Colts: 16 picks; 4 starters; 2 backups (1 cut)
Giants: 13 picks; 4 starters; 2 backups (2 cuts)
Steelers: 15 picks; 2 starters, 2 backups (8 cuts)
Skins: 15 picks; 1 starter and 5 backups (5 cuts)

Other than the Patriots, I see more starters and I would argue, better quality backups. I respectively disagree with your conclusion. I love the Skins but I don't blindly go along with everything they do. The Skins have a problem with there depth. If you can't see that, you are looking through blinders.