Vinny tips his hand on the final 53

I dont think they know JACK about the Salary Cap.

Theyre also speculating Anthony Montgommery could be cut to make room for Dixon. I hadnt thought about that, but i'd certainly hope we'd try to trade Monty before just cutting him. That said, Monty has always struggled with consistency and Dixon won't last 10 minutes on the practice squad. He's younger, has played very well for a rookie and the coaches are impressed with his work ethic. The more i think about it, the more i like the idea.

Fans calling in are speculating its Collins (which would be a good idea from a long-term perspective but completely moronic in the short term), Betts (too good in pass protection to cut for me), and Sellers (he's unhappy with his contract and getting up there in years... still, who could replace him?), and Todd Yoder (we could go with only two TEs) to make room for another player and keep a TE on the PS.

DMV, just to warn you, you've stepped into a debate with probably the smartest guy on the site (GTripp), someone who is willing to debate till he's blue in the face (CRedskins), and easily the biggest asshole on the site (me).

Fair warning.

You've done nothing but make yourself look foolish here. You claimed that Rock's stats were terrible, I showed you that he is consistently among the best in kick returns, using incontrovertible facts. Then you dismiss statistics as dorky and irrelevant.

You've then indirectly compared Marcus Mason to Joshua Cribbs and Darren Sproles by suggesting that we choose between Rock and those elite return men. Needless to say this is idiotic, because those are Browns and Chargers, not Redskins. We are debating Mason vs Rock, not Rock vs the league.

Concurrent to this absurd analysis of yours, you continue to dismiss punt and kick coverage skills as a matter of importance. You also fail to answer my call to explain what skill set Mason adds to the team that does not already exist on the roster. So in addition to looking foolish, you appear to have little to no understanding of the NFL.


Umm first your foolish. because your really not that intelligent. Posting stats is not intelligence and I did not say they were irrelevant. I said, "STATS ARE IMPORTANT BUT NOT THE ONLY FACTOR" (sorry for the caps. I have to do this for the illiterate). Can you read that.

The comparison to Cribbs, Hester was to make a point. Just because you are 6th on the stats list doesn't mean you are the best player there ( I think Hester was 28th and Cribbs might have been 12th) as far as talent an potential. If you think Rock is better than Cribbs or Hester your a intelligence is questionable. That what the comparison was related to stats. If you think thomas couldn't take his place your not very smart either.

Dude are you drinking? I didn't say his stats were terrible. Please post where I said that. I just told you to post the stats. Like I couldn't go to NFL.com and get the stats myself or if I didn't know. Just wanted you to show that you just like to argue and that the only way you can do that is with stats not intelligent debate. You are putting words in my mouth. I think you are so self righteous you dont even bother to read other comments.

As far as the dorky comments. If the only thing you can do is post stats and say Rock is a good tackler on special teams. Yeah you are a dork. Because if Thomas, Moss or Betts had his return attempts I dont think they would do worse than him. Moss and Thomas I would put money on would do better. So to fabricate things..really does make you an ass and look like as dork.

I am not dismissing punt and kick coverage skills. But our ST suck. Another thing Rock doesn't make all the tackles every play.

Rock is almost 30 yrs old. He only plays one unit on the team. Hester plays WR and Cribbs does also. That was my comparison. Not that they are on our team. How did you pull that out your ass with your head fitting so snug. If we can keep him and keep another RB (whether Mason, Aldridge or Dorsey) it might be acceptable. If not he needs to be cut.

As far as your warning. Who gives a flying ___!!

Did they really say ARE was a roster cut possibility? How do some of these people even have jobs? As you pointed out it's not at all possible because of the salary cap ramifications so why would they even say it?

We cut Jason Taylor didn't we and took a cap hit? Why not ARE?

We cut Jason Taylor didn't we and took a cap hit? Why not ARE?

Do you really need an answer to this question?

Do you really need an answer to this question?

Have Vinny answer that question he's the one that does the cuts, not me.

Do you really need an answer to this question?

I think he's being sarcastic. [EDIT].... Nevermind. Lol

Have Vinny answer that question he's the one that does the cuts, not me.

We had the space to cut Taylor, but we don't have much space left and the cap hit for ARE would be huge this year. It's just not possible.

This may have been posted already

Redskins Insider - Making a Case for Rock Cartwright (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-reid/making-a-case-for-rock-cartwri.html)

I'll be honest with you. It doesn't even have to be Mason so long as they have a young talent to bring up through the ranks. but I do take exception to people saying blatently ...Mason sucks. If he did the team would not have gone to the lengths they have to get him back. However since stats are important to some please locate Mason and Cartwright on this stat board which I feel is more accurate;

NFL Stats: by Player Category (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=RUSHING&conference=null&season=2009&seasonType=PRE&d-447263-s=RUSHING_YARDS&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-n=1)

I'll save you some time. Mason is 33rd on the list of rushers and Cartwright is 99th.

or try this one...

NFL Stats: by Player Category (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?season=2009&archive=false&seasonType=PRE&Submit=Go&qualified=true&conference=null&tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=KICK_RETURNS&d-447263-p=2&experience=null)

The highest Skin on the Return list is Thomas at 23 and Cartwright is 68. My point is stats can be manipulated for whatever purpose. Since Rock has not been used as much this preseason in order to look at others lets look at last yrs stats....

NFL Stats: by Player Category (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?season=2008&archive=false&seasonType=REG&Submit=Go&qualified=true&conference=null&tabSeq=0&statisticCategory=RUSHING&d-447263-p=5&experience=null)

Rock was 225 on the list of Rushers for last yr. Obviously his leadership skills and tackling are carrying over to his rushing yrds. If he's such a good tackler why doesn't he fill in as Safety. I mean the team definitly needs a sure tackler in the back field.

Rock may have been 6th on ESPN's total yrds for the 08 season as a KR but NFL.com has him tied at 23 for average yrds 25.6 yrds average for every KR.

NFL Stats: by Player Category (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=true&conference=null&statisticCategory=KICK_RETURNS&season=2008&seasonType=REG&experience=null&tabSeq=0&qualified=true&Submit=Go)


Another post related to stats..

Have Vinny answer that question he's the one that does the cuts, not me.

The answer is that we can't afford it. It isn't happening. It's not even financially possible. I guess it is possible if we also cut 2 or 3 other guys that count only a base salary against the cap.