Vinny tips his hand on the final 53

I have respect for a lot of people on this board..SBXVII, Gmscud, 53Fan, SmootSmack and some others. Because we can debate or disagree (even agree every now and then on certain points..lol) with each other but not take it to the extreme of name calling. I blasted off on this board because someone had to call me a half wit because I said Rock is expendable. Like I said opinions are just that opinions. The coaches have the final say. When the cuts happen we will see if Rock makes it or not. That's my finaly say..I am beginning to think. Some of these posters are players. Maybe even some coaches..lol..Is that you Danny Smith.. IS that you Rock..? LMAO

Fin

My real name is Reed Doughty and I'm making this squad half wit.

my real name is reed doughty and i'm making this squad half wit.

hahaha

So now you're argument is that "it's just an opinion?" You're arguing an awful lot to take that kind of passive-aggressive stance.

No that's not a passive-aggressive stance. Speculations on who is going to make the team can only be opinions unless the people making the cuts are on this board posting. I am argueing my point. If you have a different point of view that's on you.

Cartwright
-29 not a spring chicken by any means
-One dimensional (doesn't contribute on any other units)
-Returns the ball to the 30. He is the only person that can do that..He's super!!
-Average RB at best
-Didn't help last year when Betts and Portis got hurt (we signed TTB)
-No other team wanted him but us. But he is so valuable.
-He is a special teams captain. But ST sucks.
-Someone made a point about Betts in comparison. Betts ran one back & Moss did to.. Without nearly as many attempts as Rock. Not even close...
-Thomas can replace him
-If we can keep one of the other RB and keep Rock that might be the best solution. To make the Rock lovers happy
- He's not a dynamic player at all

DMV, just to warn you, you've stepped into a debate with probably the smartest guy on the site (GTripp), someone who is willing to debate till he's blue in the face (CRedskins), and easily the biggest asshole on the site (me).

Fair warning.

You've done nothing but make yourself look foolish here. You claimed that Rock's stats were terrible, I showed you that he is consistently among the best in kick returns, using incontrovertible facts. Then you dismiss statistics as dorky and irrelevant.

You've then indirectly compared Marcus Mason to Joshua Cribbs and Darren Sproles by suggesting that we choose between Rock and those elite return men. Needless to say this is idiotic, because those are Browns and Chargers, not Redskins. We are debating Mason vs Rock, not Rock vs the league.

Concurrent to this absurd analysis of yours, you continue to dismiss punt and kick coverage skills as a matter of importance. You also fail to answer my call to explain what skill set Mason adds to the team that does not already exist on the roster. So in addition to looking foolish, you appear to have little to no understanding of the NFL.

I am by no means in league with DMV, however your stats only proved he was the #6 in total yrds as a KR from ESPN. I agree cause I can't argue against that fact he had so many yrds. Probably cause other teams scored so much either with TD's or Field Goals. but I pointed out that he was like #23 on the list of all the KRers last yr with like 25 yrds per carry. Being #23 is not bad but it's not top 10 either.

Now take a moment and look at his Rushing yrds. I mean if he's going to be listed as a RB then lets look at his RB stats. He's way, way, way, down the page. I think JC had more yrds Rushing. I guess that's cause he sucks right? wrong. If he's not being utilized as a RB then it's unfair to compare his stats. No different then Mason who has not been utilized this preseason cause they are looking at Alridge, Dorsey, and Thomas.

but....I'll repeat what I wrote earlier, why does the RB have to be the KR? I mean if Thomas has another great showing like he did last game then why couldn't the KR be a WR. Thus eliminating the whole Rock issue all together. Maybe that's what Cerrato was eluding to. If Thomas has a good showing then he can be the KR/WR cause I think we all agree Kelly has surpassed him and Mitchell I think looks better also. Then the team can let Rock go and keep Mason and Alridge. That would be Portis, Betts, Mason, Alridge and Sellers. 5. ;)

Not that it will or won't happen just throwing it out there.

My real name is Reed Doughty and I'm making this squad half wit.

No your real name is Country Bumpkin and your a trailer park resident!

No your real name is Country Bumpkin and your a trailer park resident!

Lighten up dude.

This may have been posted already

Redskins Insider - Making a Case for Rock Cartwright (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-reid/making-a-case-for-rock-cartwri.html)

I'm just going to go ahead and quote myself here

"The thing that people don't realize [about teams] is that people play four and five positions," Smith said. "A guy has a position on a kickoff, a kickoff return, a punt and a punt return; that's four spots. When I lose a guy, I lose a guy at four spots.

"It may take one guy to fill all those four. It may take four guys to fill all four. That's the difference. It's not like when you lose a fullback and say, 'Well, we'll just go to another formation.' In this case, you can lose four slots, which is critical. So you need guys that are versatile like Rock, who can do a lot of things and play a lot of places."

I'm just going to go ahead and quote myself here

"The thing that people don't realize [about teams] is that people play four and five positions," Smith said. "A guy has a position on a kickoff, a kickoff return, a punt and a punt return; that's four spots. When I lose a guy, I lose a guy at four spots.

"It may take one guy to fill all those four. It may take four guys to fill all four. That's the difference. It's not like when you lose a fullback and say, 'Well, we'll just go to another formation.' In this case, you can lose four slots, which is critical. So you need guys that are versatile like Rock, who can do a lot of things and play a lot of places."

You sly dog you.

Deep breath everyone.

Now chill the F out.

thanks

I am by no means in league with DMV, however your stats only proved he was the #6 in total yrds as a KR from ESPN. I agree cause I can't argue against that fact he had so many yrds. Probably cause other teams scored so much either with TD's or Field Goals. but I pointed out that he was like #23 on the list of all the KRers last yr with like 25 yrds per carry. Being #23 is not bad but it's not top 10 either.

Now take a moment and look at his Rushing yrds. I mean if he's going to be listed as a RB then lets look at his RB stats. He's way, way, way, down the page. I think JC had more yrds Rushing. I guess that's cause he sucks right? wrong. If he's not being utilized as a RB then it's unfair to compare his stats. No different then Mason who has not been utilized this preseason cause they are looking at Alridge, Dorsey, and Thomas.

but....I'll repeat what I wrote earlier, why does the RB have to be the KR? I mean if Thomas has another great showing like he did last game then why couldn't the KR be a WR. Thus eliminating the whole Rock issue all together. Maybe that's what Cerrato was eluding to. If Thomas has a good showing then he can be the KR/WR cause I think we all agree Kelly has surpassed him and Mitchell I think looks better also. Then the team can let Rock go and keep Mason and Alridge. That would be Portis, Betts, Mason, Alridge and Sellers. 5. ;)

Not that it will or won't happen just throwing it out there.

No no. We can't let Rock go. our team will fall apart and our ST will not be best in the league and we wont have anyone to back up Portis or Betts if on of them gets injured no way. Our team would just go under. We can't possibly do that. Rock can't be replaced. [end sarcasm]

This is the point I am trying to make. I am by now means trying to put you near the targets that's on my back. I think we have gotten use to mediocrity and for us to move forward some times we have to take risks and shakes things up.

I totally agree with your statement above. Does anyone realize what happened last year when Portis and Betts went down or am I just dreaming this? We signed TTB when we had a RB on our roster. At that point was returking kicks more important than filling in for our injured 1st and 2nd RB or either spelling one of them when the other was hurt? Dag that says it all. Some people are so smart they don't have common sense and are loyal to a fault. This is a business. Not popularity contest. I want to win. If we had a decent back last year when Betts & Portis got hurt. Our season might have turned a little different. Like I said where was Rock. Oh returning kicks to the 30...but I am a half wit..what the f ever!!