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The Goat 09-13-2009, 09:58 PM I'm not normally one to jump on Zorn, but unquestionably, the biggest matchup advantage we had all game long was our 2nd, 3rd, and 4th receivers, against a gaggle of poor defensive backs who barely should be in the league. What did we do? We ran the ball into the teeth of their defense.
If Zorn's going to play like that, he needs the quarters to be 40 minutes each. Otherwise, he wastes half the game running Portis into no space.
Yes. Yes. Yes. I said this all game long. The Giants were missing two CBs today...we should have been picking them apart through the air but after Jason goes 8/11 (with a few bad decisions) Zorn went away from the pass completely. BUT...the only thing i can think is Zorn really doesn't like what he's seeing from the WR corp in live play. I think I see it two. They're routes are mostly awful and there's very little separation. I hate to be the broken record but things keep pointing back to Hixon...his group (i mean the guys he's supposed to have developed, not ARL and Moss who he acquired) are just not NFL caliber. I'm tired of the excuses for that, period.
dgack 09-13-2009, 09:59 PM Seriously guys? Jason's stats were very close to Eli's. What I don't understand is, last year, the guy is super conservative, throws very few INT's, and the complaint is "Jason doesn't take chances, the dink and dunk isn't going to get it done".
Today his turnovers are held out as proof he cost us the game, but surely him holding that ball forever and a day is not because he was looking to throw a 2 yard dumpoff pass. He was looking to take a shot and waited too long. It happens.
I know everyone is tired of me pointing at Jay Cutler but homes is looking fantastic right now, with 3 picks already. Granted, Sanchez had a solid game but come on, it was the Texans :)
Jason didn't have a great game, to be sure. But this game was not on him. How many third and longs did we allow NY to convert in the first half? How many times did we call predictable, vanilla run plays on 1st and 2nd down? How many tackles did we totally whiff on in the secondary? And don't get me started on the ARE reverse.
I predict that the team will lose a couple more games before Zorn says "Eff it" and throws caution to the wind. Then we'll win a couple of games and surprise some people. But it will probably be too little, too late.
GridIron26 09-13-2009, 10:03 PM Obviously? Do tell.
He works with coaches well.. He works with players well (I think?) He stands in his own position, doesn't bend down for any players.. And beside, don't you ever get the vibe from him that he could be a good one..
Pocket$ $traight 09-13-2009, 10:03 PM I know this sounds like a homer statement but the best team lost today.
The 4th and 1 play by Haynesworth was out of this world....
His talent is out of this world.
The Giants will lose in Washington and we are a legitimate contender in the division even though I am frightened by the Eagles.
Paintrain 09-13-2009, 10:07 PM Yes. Yes. Yes. I said this all game long. The Giants were missing two CBs today...we should have been picking them apart through the air but after Jason goes 8/11 (with a few bad decisions) Zorn went away from the pass completely. BUT...the only thing i can think is Zorn really doesn't like what he's seeing from the WR corp in live play. I think I see it two. They're routes are mostly awful and there's very little separation. I hate to be the broken record but things keep pointing back to Hixon...his group (i mean the guys he's supposed to have developed, not ARL and Moss who he acquired) are just not NFL caliber. I'm tired of the excuses for that, period.
I think the answer is much clearer (and less Hixon focused) than you'd like to believe. Zorn is in over his head and his stubbornness will probably cost him his job.
beanpot143 09-13-2009, 10:12 PM Juggernaut is right...Campbell is pathetic. Missed passes,looks scared, he is not our franchise QB!!! Zorn is an idiot, he has now idea how to run a football team. He would be a nice QB coach, THAT's IT!!! It's time to stop our excuses for Campbell, oh new OC, o new system, new this new that....how about he is just NOT that good!!!!!! At best we are an 8-8 team!!! If you can live with that, then you can live with Campbell and Zorn, I can't!!!!
GusFrerotte 09-13-2009, 10:16 PM Exactly. His rating was over 90 and his completed 73% of his passes. He wasn't the problem today.
Uh yeah, a costly pick and a fumble return for a TD isn't a problem. But I generally agree with you JC wasn't the main problem at all, but he was a part of it.
GusFrerotte 09-13-2009, 10:19 PM JC had good stats pretty much on two drives that were in 2 minute mode at the end of each half. Take those out of the equation and he was average. Why we can't have drives like the two for TDs for more than emergencies is beyond me.
EARTHQUAKE2689 09-13-2009, 10:41 PM From My perspective (Reed Doughty).
Same bullshit, another year. No ice, no chaser, strait up corn liquor. Damn it burns doesn't it? There's no need to analyze anything.
Santana Moss needs to be benched or traded. Eff Moss.
I'm not the one to bash JC, but if he can't lead this team to victory over the G-men then eff him too. He chickened out with that run play when we needed that first down and his game management stinks. Collins can beat them, so could Ramsey.
I (Reed Doughty) have a high motor, but I, nor can the rest of the defense play for 7/8ths of a game.
The defense is going to be drinking warm beer tonight on the way back home. At least it's beer. We threw a humble pie on the floor of the offense's bus. Let them do an interview about that!
My agent tells me that after my one year contract is up, I stand a chance of going to a good team, like Baltimore.
Coffee is for closers byatches!
DUDE WTF are you smoking??? stop drinking and go to bed
Paintrain 09-13-2009, 10:43 PM Juggernaut is right...Campbell is pathetic. Missed passes,looks scared, he is not our franchise QB!!! Zorn is an idiot, he has now idea how to run a football team. He would be a nice QB coach, THAT's IT!!! It's time to stop our excuses for Campbell, oh new OC, o new system, new this new that....how about he is just NOT that good!!!!!! At best we are an 8-8 team!!! If you can live with that, then you can live with Campbell and Zorn, I can't!!!!
Then enjoy the foliage or join a Sunday book club. Exactly what were you bringing to this thread?
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