Here's our chance for Jeff Fisher

Not as dumb as Fisher would be if he even contemplated playing for Danny the Bozo. Best guess here is that he wouldn't.

remember, belicheck was also a retread. Dungy didn't win a sb with "the team he built" in tbay. He had to be a "retread" in indy to get it. Retread j. Gruden won his sb against the team he built in oakland. Retread t. Coughlin won a sb after being run out on a rail from jacksonville. Retread d. Vermeil got a sb with the rams and got damn close with kcity.

None of these coaches were successful in their first stints. You're right - patience is required but there may be something to be said for hiring a coach who knows how to manage a game and build a team. Even if he doesn't bring championships, maybe as dungy did in tbay, they can set the stage for further success.

but - for the record - i am with the "first gm, then hc" crowd. I just think a new gm should not discount those with hc exp. Just b/c they didn't win a gazillion sb's in their first stint.

me toooo!

I like Gruden over all of them. Oalkand wins the Super Bowl, the year of the tuck rule, and who knows how many more they win. If Gruden wasnt coaching Tampa they would have never beat Oakland its well known how Gruden schemed and picked Oaklands offense apart in that game. Look how quickly Oakland fell apart after Gruden left and Tampa will look at them right now. Gruden has so much respect for the game Im sure he woud be honored to take over this franchise.

Gruden might be the only coach we can hire before a GM. He wants an organiztion willing to get the best players for what he wants. And he loves the grind of the long hours and football in general.

Gruden coaching Oakland and Dungy coaching Tampa in the Super Bowl. I go hands down Gruden. Dungy way over rated, he is mediocre coach that took him years to build a respectable defense to be to handle the of the Patriots. And he was a so called Defensive guru, P.Manning thats where his praise comes from without him he would never lead that team into success.

GM first, coach second. If we hire a Coach before a GM, then we are back to square 1.

Bingo, we have a winner, or was that a TD?

Not as dumb as Fisher would be if he even contemplated playing for Danny the Bozo. Best guess here is that he wouldn't.

Yeah, I agree, it would be dumb for Jeff Fisher to come play for us.

Yeah, I agree, it would be dumb for Jeff Fisher to come play for us.

LOL. Well played

And he has also gone from:

13-3 to 7-9

12-4 to 5-11

13-3 to 0-6 so far this year.

He's like a rollercoaster.

He's a recognizable name that's why his name will be brought up in discussions here. I want to see some other things happen before even considering the thought of who the next coach might be. Too much unfinished business.

It's like in sports, what have you done for me lately mentality. Most fans in this forum have no patience and want things turned around overnite and think this guys are saviors. I rather take my chance with a young/hungry proven coordinator (not QB coach) than this retreads who have had their chances.

Well in response to you and Smootsmack, it's not so much that we want the 'name' but we want their system, their structure, their professionalism. Does anyone think for a minute that outside of maybe Holmgren or Floyd Reese that if Snyder hires a 'young/hungry' GM and or coach that he's not going to try to bully and big time him as soon as he feels the itch?

I'd like to think that Snyder's matured since the Schottenheimer ordeal to realize that when you've got a guy with a system, a structure and a plan, especially someone with a proven track record, you let him do what he does. I don't think he's matured to that point with just anyone though.

I think the whole 'what has Shanahan done without Elway' or 'he won with Dungy's team' argument is bunk. Each team is a different situation. Shanahan has had a winning program with clowns like Jake Plummer and Brian Griese. Gruden turned over about 35-40% of the roster in his first season and won the Super Bowl. Who is to say what happens if one of them takes over in DC? Maybe they draft the next Matt Ryan, find a Steve Slaton in the 4th or 5th round, sign 3 OL and the light comes on for one of the young WR. What's it going to be then? He is just winning because of the defense that Vinny Ceratto built?

I don't understand the original post and the reference to Cowher -- and spoecifically the statement about what's he done in 14 years at Pittsburgh. A lot, actually. He's had great teams, won a SB, and not with big name, flashy guys, but blue collar workhorses (kind of like the old Redskins teams). Pittsburgh never goes crazy in free agency, they seem to have managed the cap well, and he's done with while grooming a group of excellent young coaches (Tomlin, Whisenhunt, Grimm) -- and it takes good coaching all around to win. Most of the great head coaches had great assistants, and Cowher knows how to develop them. Plus, I wouldn't mind a head coach with some fire.

Having said all of that, he's probably looking at the Redskins franchise right now and thinking to himself that there are 1000 things he'd rather do that get bogged down with this mess.
You can give him credit for Winenhunt but Grimm really cut his coaching teeth here under Norv (although I still don't get why Redskins fans think he's such a great coach) and Tomlin was an outside hire.

Either way Cowher is the one big name I think we can completely discount as coming here. Unless Carolina turns it around in a major way, John Fox is out and Cowher is in.

Hey, maybe John Fox will be the next Redskins coach! Been to the Super Bowl, they won 12 games last year! He's a FIT!! [/sarcasm]

I'd actually give up the farm for Fisher. The guys knows what the hell he is doing. If we could get him just to be GM I'd be damn impressed.