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T.O.Killa 11-02-2009, 01:04 PM Now rank them according to quality of play and see what you get. Just because a guy is taken in the first round it does not mean that he is worth it.
What the list tells me is that you either get a QB in the first round or some how a QB comes out of no where to be good. No way to judje the bottom steels. They just come from thin air.
maroonandblack30 11-02-2009, 01:12 PM O-LINE...not even a question. RBs are a dime a dozen. QB is a crap shoot and until we have a decent line its not going to matter who is taking the snaps.
If JC had a top notch line, with our D we would be a playoff contender and I'm not even a huge fan of JC.
I would LOVE to have the DB from Tennesse...Eric Berry....he reminds me a little of #21
SouperMeister 11-02-2009, 02:37 PM I think my problem with not drafting an o-lineman in the first round is that I don't have faith in the offensive line coaching, nor do I have faith in the decision making folks. I mean we drafted a lineman in the 3rd round last year, and that hasn't worked out well. Furthermore, we just lost our Pro Bowl LT. Unless the offensive line coaching changes or we get some competent people that can do a good job in picking a franchise tackle in the later rounds or we get second first rounder somehow, I'd rather have the team pick a tackle in the first round.Joe Bugel is not the problem. Give me any other of the great O-line coaches of the last 40 years (Jim Hanifan and Alex Gibbs come to mind), and they too wouldn't be able to overcome the lack of quality depth on our line.
As for drafting a lineman in the 3rd round (Rinehart), that was a total reach, selecting a Division 1-AA Tackle who had never faced solid competition. Blame Cerrato and his merry band of ass clowns for the fiasco that is our 2008 draft class. The most dire need going into that draft was OL depth, and the best Vinny can deliver in 10 picks is a lone reach from some 1-AA school??? Mike Pollak is a 2 year starter on Indy's OL, and he was still available when we made Malcolm Kelly our third receiver selected in the 2nd round. Freaking amazing.
CultBrennan59 11-02-2009, 02:45 PM Redskins LT 1st round
Eagles LT UDF
Giants LT 5th round
Cowboys LT 2nd round
Bears LT 1st round
Detroit LT 1st round
Packers LT 4th round(rookie)
Vikings LT 1st round
Falcons LT 1st round
Panthers LT 1st round
Saints LT 4th round
Buccuneers LT UDF
Cardinals LT 3rd round
49er's LT 1st round
Seahawks LT 3rd round
Rams LT 1st round
NFC Eight 1st rounders, one second rounder, two third rounders, two fourth ronders, one fith rounder, and two undrafted free agents. My god thats 50/50, kind of suprised me.
Very intersting, this still shows me that we better take a LT in the first round, because we don't have the football smarts to get a decent LT in say the 4th round or something, we would waste that pick on a player such as Cody Glenn, or Justin Tryon
skinsfan69 11-02-2009, 02:46 PM O-LINE...not even a question. RBs are a dime a dozen. QB is a crap shoot and until we have a decent line its not going to matter who is taking the snaps.
If JC had a top notch line, with our D we would be a playoff contender and I'm not even a huge fan of JC.
I would LOVE to have the DB from Tennesse...Eric Berry....he reminds me a little of #21
I agree. W/out a line the offense can't do anything. Linemen w/ the first two picks. Berry or Taylor Mays would be nice though...
KLHJ2 11-02-2009, 02:46 PM What the list tells me is that you either get a QB in the first round or some how a QB comes out of no where to be good. No way to judje the bottom steels. They just come from thin air.
No, it tells you that way too often QB's are over drafted. People fall in love with them and draft them too early. Guys like Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, and Brian Brohm, get over drafted, meanwhile a guy like Chad Henne who is not much less talented and gets selected in the second. Everybody thinks that they are going to end up with the next Peyton Manning in the first round, when the reality is that they are more than likely going to end up with the next Jamarcus Russell, Brady Quinn, Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Jay Cutler, Alex Smith, Aaron Rogers, or Jason Campbell. I think that it is safe to say that only one of those names (maybe 2) were actually worth a first round selection. Neither was the first QB taken in the draft either. Joe Gibbs once said that if you can protect the QB, then there are about 26 guys who can play in this league, if you cannot protect them there are only about 5. I paraphrased because I didn’t want to screw his words up. Needless to say if you look at previous draft history you can find some 2nd-6th rounders that you can develop into solid starters that might be as effective as or better than 1st round draft picks at the QB position.
National Football League: NFL Draft History Full Draft - by Position (http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?type=position)
Pyrotech 11-02-2009, 03:24 PM Given Snyderato's (in)ability to judge talent, I think LT should be the choice instead of QB. At least, a LT can usually play somewhere on the line if he doesn't work out at LT -- a QB bust is more often a dead loss. I'd go OL in the 2nd round too, unless a stud QB or RB falls that low.
Until we get a competent GM, our drafts will be like barroom drunks throwing darts.
KI Skins Fan 11-02-2009, 03:30 PM I think that a team pretty much needs to get its QB and its LT in the first round of the draft. We'll need both at the end of this season. It remains to be seen if we'll suck enough to get our choice of which one we pick.
It may come down to how highly rated are the LT's and QB's on the board when we pick. But I do think we'll go with one of those two positions unless something dramatic happens prior to the draft.
KI Skins Fan 11-02-2009, 03:34 PM Given Snyderato's (in)ability to judge talent, I think LT should be the choice instead of QB. At least, a LT can usually play somewhere on the line if he doesn't work out at LT -- a QB bust is more often a dead loss. I'd go OL in the 2nd round too, unless a stud QB or RB falls that low.
Until we get a competent GM, our drafts will be like barroom drunks throwing darts.
"Damn, Vinny, you hit the Miller Lite sign! What the Hell does that mean?"
Pyrotech 11-02-2009, 05:10 PM "Damn, Vinny, you hit the Miller Lite sign! What the Hell does that mean?"
Miller, yeah, that's the ticket! "With their first round selection, the Washington Redskins draft Long Snapper Moses Miller, from Fukawi State".
That should shut up the fans who are screaming for OL help.
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