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44Deezel 02-08-2010, 09:19 AM Brady's Super Bowls always came with a great defense. I've always felt Mannings teams made the playoffs in spite of how mediocre the team actually was. They were last in the league in rushing this year and still made the Super Bowl. Manning deserves a lot of credit for this. Throughout NE's SB years, if Manning had been their QB, they would have won just as many if not more IMO. I don't think Brady would have had nearly as much success on the Colts.
No they didn't. Brady didn't play for the 86 Bears or the 2000 Ravens. His Defenses were good, not great. AND Manning has had WAY MORE talent around him, yet he consistently under-achieves. As a matter of fact, if it weren't for Brady's pathetic Receivers (future hall of famers, Troy Brown and Jabar Gaffney) dropping passes, last night would have been Manning's first Super Bowl. Manning is this generations Dan Marino. Brady is this generation's Joe Montana. Manning has 29TDs and 18INTs in the playoffs. AVERAGE!
Manning is Brady's bitch!
mlmdub130 02-08-2010, 09:26 AM No they didn't. Brady didn't play for the 86 Bears or the 2000 Ravens. His Defenses were good, not great. AND Manning has had WAY MORE talent around him, yet he consistently under-achieves. As a matter of fact, if it weren't for Brady's pathetic Receivers (future hall of famers, Troy Brown and Jabar Gaffney) dropping passes, last night would have been Manning's first Super Bowl. Manning is this generations Dan Marino. Brady is this generation's Joe Montana. Manning has 29TDs and 18INTs in the playoffs. AVERAGE!
Manning is Brady's bitch!
many would argue if you take the rings out marino is a much better qb than montana
irish 02-08-2010, 09:38 AM many would argue if you take the rings out marino is a much better qb than montana
Absolutely, Marino is the best QB to ever play but he doesnt have any rings. Its not like this is golf where one man controls his own destiny, its a team game and maybe if Miami had a D he might have won a few titles.
Defensewins 02-08-2010, 09:49 AM Why do we have to have these silly arguments about who is the greatest of all time?
Montana, Manning, Marino, Bradshaw, Brady, Jurgensen, etc. were all great. Different strengths and weakness'.
Brees played great once he heated up in after the 2nd quarter. Might he win another SB?
Forget who said it but I like the argument of best of their time. Makes a little more sense to do it that way since you really can't fairly compare across different eras of the game.
53Fan 02-08-2010, 10:13 AM No they didn't. Brady didn't play for the 86 Bears or the 2000 Ravens. His Defenses were good, not great. AND Manning has had WAY MORE talent around him, yet he consistently under-achieves. As a matter of fact, if it weren't for Brady's pathetic Receivers (future hall of famers, Troy Brown and Jabar Gaffney) dropping passes, last night would have been Manning's first Super Bowl. Manning is this generations Dan Marino. Brady is this generation's Joe Montana. Manning has 29TDs and 18INTs in the playoffs. AVERAGE!
Manning is Brady's bitch!
BS. There was no comparison between Indy's defense and NE's during those years. They might not have been the Bears or Ravens but they were pretty damn good. To say otherwise is just ignorant.
44Deezel 02-08-2010, 10:19 AM many would argue if you take the rings out marino is a much better qb than montana
Take the rings out?!?! Let's take out TD passes while we're at it. And passing yards too.
Marino was awesome. Manning is awesome. No argument here.
mlmdub130 02-08-2010, 10:20 AM Forget who said it but I like the argument of best of their time. Makes a little more sense to do it that way since you really can't fairly compare across different eras of the game.
good point espescially when we know sammy baugh was the greatest to ever play the game
44Deezel 02-08-2010, 10:28 AM BS. There was no comparison between Indy's defense and NE's during those years. They might not have been the Bears or Ravens but they were pretty damn good. To say otherwise is just ignorant.
And there's no comparison between Indy's offense and NEs during those years either. Nobody said the Pats had bad Defenses those years, but they aren't even in the discussion of all time great Defenses. Like you said, they were pretty damn good. Not great!
Before this year, Manning was 0-3 when his team was the #1 seed going into the playoffs. Compare his team's regular seasons to their playoff performances, and they chronically UNDER-ACHIEVE!
53Fan 02-08-2010, 10:55 AM NE 2001 OFF Rank -6 DEF Rank-6 Points allowed 272
INDY 2001 OFF Rank -2 DEF Rank-31 Points allowed 486
NE 2003 OFF Rank -12 DEF Rank-1 Points allowed 238
INDY 2003 OFF Rank -2 DEF Rank-20 Points allowed 336
NE 2004 OFF Rank -4 DEF Rank-2 Points allowed 260
INDY 2004 OFF Rank -1 DEF Rank-19 Points allowed 351
If Manning had the same defenses NE had he'd have multiple rings too. He did more with less. Manning's offenses would have been hard-pressed to be anywhere near the top without him. Brady had the luxury of a strong defense getting turnovers and holding down the oppositions score and time on the field. Spin it any way you want. It is what it is.
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