Texas wants to rewrite the US History books

dang it trample, you caught my post before i could edit it. i mistakenly typed jefferson was the federalist's poster boy when really it is james madison.

but federalist stand for the position that local gov'ts should make decisions that are most intimate to the people they represent, since they are the closest to them and have a better feel for their interests/needs.

in today's society, federalist would want your local state representatives making policy regarding abortion, marriages, medical marijuana, etc. while the fed gov't would be limited to national matters such as international trade law, military, etc.

right now, there is a big argument in CA where, by state law, medical marijuana is legal but marijuana for any reason is illegal per federal rules. the fed gov't has raided medical marijuana distributors in CA under the interstate commerce clause, and CA is arguing you cant trump our state law since the fed gov' has no legit interest or standing regarding medical marijuana.

of course, the interstate commerce clause has been abused so hard that now the fed gov't can control what a farmer in idaho does with his corn since, theoreticaly, that corn could be shipped across state lines.

interstate commerce clause also was used in positive means by the fed gov't to instill national civil rights laws at places like hotels, restaurants who cannot discriminate against blacks since those black people could have traveled across state lines. so the florida state law which allowed hotels to not allow black people was deemed un constitutional under an interstate commerce clause argument.

The story of the First Bank of United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Bank_of_the_United_States).

Over the Mountain:

What you proscribe to Federalist doesn't make sense to me? It's an oxymoron.

State's rights is a cause of the old right not the neo-con movement. As Saden has pointed out. It was the Federalist Hamilton that wanted a centralized bank. He also wanted a Pax Americana.

The old right that today constitutes the few conservative / libertarians out there, distrust central banks today as much as they did then. They saw it coming. We're living through the consequences today.

To have a single currency is good for the Republic. That is Federalist. I agree. Allowing private bankers to take over the monetary policy of the United States from the Treasury is nothing short of treason. For the government to issue through decree that only dollars can be used is an abuse of power. It is beyond Federalism. That is dictatorial.

As a follower of the tenants of the old right, I subscribe more to Jefferson than to Adams, Hamilton, or Madison. I don't understand how I can be a Federalist when I loathe the Federal government?

Perhaps I should dust off my Federalist Papers. Get back to you in a week.

Over the Mountain:

What you proscribe to Federalist doesn't make sense to me? It's an oxymoron.

State's rights is a cause of the old right not the neo-con movement. As Saden has pointed out. It was the Federalist Hamilton that wanted a centralized bank. He also wanted a Pax Americana.

The old right that today constitutes the few conservative / libertarians out there, distrust central banks today as much as they did then. They saw it coming. We're living through the consequences today.

To have a single currency is good for the Republic. That is Federalist. I agree. Allowing private bankers to take over the monetary policy of the United States from the Treasury is nothing short of treason. For the government to issue through decree that only dollars can be used is an abuse of power. It is beyond Federalism. That is dictatorial.

As a follower of the tenants of the old right, I subscribe more to Jefferson than to Adams, Hamilton, or Madison. I don't understand how I can be a Federalist when I loathe the Federal government?

Perhaps I should dust off my Federalist Papers. Get back to you in a week.

Seems to me Jefferson was a federalist when it suited him (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_Purchase)...and today we are all thankful for it.

Seems to me Jefferson was a federalist when it suited him (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisiana_Purchase)...and today we are all thankful for it.

Of course he was. He was a lover of liberty when it suited him too. That never stopped him from buying, selling, and sleeping with slaves.

The point of ommiting Jefferson I believe, is because of his anti-federalist & revolutionary leanings. The Neo-cons in Texas don't want people to question the government, especially since they stand a chance of returning to power.

Your Plato-esque way of denying things and contradicting everyone never proves your own points Saden.

and country is about getting too drunk (or do you guys call it jacked up now?), dogs, and tractors.. really who I want basing my society

base of the society lol

I played in a Country band for 12 years through Va. and some in NC back in the mid 80's to mid 90's. Yes you have your red necks but you have alot of just down to earth country people who work their ass off and never ask for any hand outs. They love their country and have better morals then most snob ass people living in the big city. While most of them will never be rich they will give you the shirt off their back any day. Say what you want but if more people had ther work ethic and their morals then this country would be much better off.

Of course he was. He was a lover of liberty when it suited him too. That never stopped him from buying, selling, and sleeping with slaves.

The point of ommiting Jefferson I believe, is because of his anti-federalist & revolutionary leanings. The Neo-cons in Texas don't want people to question the government, especially since they stand a chance of returning to power.

Your Plato-esque way of denying things and contradicting everyone never proves your own points Saden.

I don't have to do much TTL because you do a pretty good job sticking your foot in your mouth. I mean, you just basically blasted the founders and labeled them self-serving SOBs while often claiming moral high ground on what we can, can't or should do as a nation in your posts.

Even Thomas Jefferson, whome you lean towards, has betrayed you...time to get off this rock TTL.

Over the Mountain:

I don't understand how I can be a Federalist when I loathe the Federal government?

Perhaps I should dust off my Federalist Papers. Get back to you in a week.

When i studied federalists in law school we focused on the old founding father guys like james madison and state rights, etc. my older brother was president of a federalist society chapter in CA for awhile too. with that said, i cant speak about central banks and hamilton as i dont know.

but your last part is right per my understanding and what i posted before; federalists dont want a big federal gov't and believe local gov't should govern most things. where did i say differently?

you want to talk about hypocrites? how can federalists be for state rights as their founding principle but today, modern federalists want a federal law mandating abortion as illegal? ive asked a bunch of federalists this and they usually take off their federalist/state rights hat and put on their conservative "but its a life" hat.

I don't have to do much TTL because you do a pretty good job sticking your foot in your mouth. I mean, you just basically blasted the founders and labeled them self-serving SOBs while often claiming moral high ground on what we can, can't or should do as a nation in your posts.

Even Thomas Jefferson, whome you lean towards, has betrayed you...time to get off this rock TTL.

I'm a cynic Saden, not a know-it-all like you.

Napoleon Bonaparte said, "A man will fight harder for his interests than for his rights."

I ask you. How are the legal rights of a Republic not self serving? From my point of view, a person's rights and interests are the same thing.

I'm not beholden to the Founding Fathers, as they themselves were not to the crown. The ideals that they championed are larger than the flawed people that we all are. Yes, even you Saden.

When i studied federalists in law school we focused on the old founding father guys like james madison and state rights, etc. my older brother was president of a federalist society chapter in CA for awhile too. with that said, i cant speak about central banks and hamilton as i dont know.

but your last part is right per my understanding and what i posted before; federalists dont want a big federal gov't and believe local gov't should govern most things. where did i say differently?

you want to talk about hypocrites? how can federalists be for state rights as their founding principle but today, modern federalists want a federal law mandating abortion as illegal? ive asked a bunch of federalists this and they usually take off their federalist/state rights hat and put on their conservative "but its a life" hat.

I wouldn't call that conservative. I'd say that's neo-conservative. There's nothing about reproductive rights in the Constitution, therefore, it is the right of the States IE: the people to decide for themselves.

Perhaps we are getting our terms confused, like Liberalism and Classical Liberalism?