Campbell A Raider

Personally, I think Patrick Ramsey was simply not given a chance.

it just makes you look really, really bitter.

To be honest, I am bitter, but not at Campbell...I didn't really think he was going to lead us anywhere, and he didn't. I saw him for what he was, a second stringer. I didn't agree with trading up to get him either, but trusted in Gibbs. I am bitter at Snyder and Cerrato as well as the jokes they hired like Zorn. We are a classy orginization and we have one of the most loyal fan bases in the world, and we are not being provided with a winning orginization, and we have been more than patient.
I can only hope the signing of Allen and Shanny will turn this around. If only Snyder stays away.

Personally, I think Patrick Ramsey was simply not given a chance.

Yet, another bust. Obviously he wasnt the answer either considering he is out of the NFL and no one wanted him after going to NY and Denver.
We have a history of signing sub-par qbs and expecting great results. Frerotte, Banks, and Ramsey are just a few.

How can anyone say Patrick Ramsey wasn't given a chance?

Get em while they're hot.
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probably when gibbs left brunell in after the first half of the season opener with ramsey never starting again despite outplaying brunell in preseason when it was an "open competition".

ramsey wasnt a gibbs type qb, he preferred smarter qbs who valued possessions and didnt cause my turnovers. ramsey would throw it up for grabs sometimes.

honestly, i dont blame gibbs for going with brunell, its his right as HC to pick the guy he wants to run his offense through.

Now shannahan and kyle come in and dont think they can run their offense through campbell (probably b/c he doesnt make quick reads or decisions).

gibbs overreached big time in drafting campbell imo. maybe b/c campbell is such a good character religous guy which gibbs values, he had a great frame for being an nfc east qb, had a strong arm.

i respect campbell but im real glad we are upgrading the qb position. i just dont know how much of an upgrade mcnabb is. i hope we dont try to expect or ask too much of him.

Sort of. There are certainly different levels of bust. We gave up three picks, and drafted him in the first round. He did absolutely NOTHING for us (disagree...how's a 4 win season feel?). We traded him for a 4th round pick in 2012 which may not even happen if a CBA is not reached. Due to the fact that he bamboozled a lot of people to thinking he had top notch talent, he was a bust for us. Just a minor one.

So let me ask you this, if he plays for the raiders and pulls a Russell and throws for 4ish tds and 10ints and loses his job never to regain it, I would certainly label him as a full blown bust. That is more likely than him all of sudden "getting it" and lifting the raiders to respectable levels.

To call JC " a bust" is just ridiculous. I would say he didn't live up to expectations. But JC is a starting QB in the NFL. Is he a top one? No. A bust IMO is Jamarcus Russell, Heath Shuler, Cade McNown, Rick Mirer, David Klingler, Akili Smith and Ryan Leaf. Those guys simply can not or couldn't play in the NFL.

How can anyone say Patrick Ramsey wasn't given a chance?

Sorry, I forgot to put on my sarcasm/irony font.

At this point, arguments over Campbell and his legacy are about as fruitful as discussing the same about Ramsey. I expect that Campbell will have more success in his post Skins career than Ramsey has had in his, BUT the bottom line is - it just doesn't matter to the Skins.

ce'st la vie. Good bye and Good luck JC. As with Patrick, we hoped you'd be the "Franchise QB" that would lead us to the promised land and you weren't.

There are not different levels of busts. A bust is a guy who can not play.

Agreed 110%.

Agreed 110%.

Clearly you missed this:
This is why they have rankings of the biggest busts ever, if there weren't different levels of busts, then they would all be tied.

You don't have to change your mind, cause you can believe what you want, but what explanation do you have for rankings of busts over the years if there are no levels of busts?