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SirClintonPortis 05-19-2011, 12:14 PM Rogers is 100% right. Fans disregard all those TDs that Hall gives up. In fact, he gave up 2 in that Dallas game he "supposedly" won. It was just fortunate one got called back for holding. You think fans realize this? Nope. BUT BUT BUT HE WON US THE GAME!!! /facepalm
That said, Rogers is part of the problem that has plagued this team for many years. The guy mailed it in last year. When he was cleared to play, this idiot still sat out in fear he might get hurt. **** that guy, THAT is why I don't want this clown here. It's all about the money for him, and chances are he's going to quit on you once he does get that big payday. In fact, one of the insiders I know said that Los was partying it up in the clubs during that time he was supposedly injured. It's time we move on from this clown and away from players like this.
I don't like Hall beyond what is necessary. However, Hall's riverboat gambling can be mitigated by strengthening the pass rush and thus when he does make a gamble, the pass rush would force a poor throw that he can get his hands on.
With Rogers, you can give him Suh, Sapp, Reggie White, and Lawrence Taylor, and he'll still drop 70+% of the picks he could grab and then some.
skinsfan69 05-19-2011, 12:32 PM Carlos takes a swipe at Hall.......
Carlos Rogers takes a swipe at DeAngelo Hall | ProFootballTalk (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/05/19/carlos-rogers-takes-a-swipe-at-deangelo-hall/)
Rogers has EVERY RIGHT to be bitter. Hall is GARBAGE as a cover corner and he tackles like a soft lil' bitch. I don't think either of them are going to Canton, but game in, game out, I want the guy that can cover and tackle. Think about it, Rogers has seen numerous free agents get paid here and a lot of them end up playing like crap. Yet the front office never seems to reward their own that have proven themselves. I hope those days are over. But Bruce Allen had a chance to give Rogers a raise and low balled him. Not right IMO.
Ruhskins 05-19-2011, 12:32 PM I don't like Hall beyond what is necessary. However, Hall's riverboat gambling can be mitigated by strengthening the pass rush and thus when he does make a gamble, the pass rush would force a poor throw that he can get his hands on.
With Rogers, you can give him Suh, Sapp, Reggie White, and Lawrence Taylor, and he'll still drop 70+% of the picks he could grab and then some.
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freddyg12 05-19-2011, 12:34 PM I hope we can re-sign Buchanon because Barnes will need all the help he can get. I have confidence that Barnes will do fine but we'll have to scheme in ways to mask his deficiencies.
Didn't know I was avoiding the question. Didn't even realize there was a question. But my point is Rogers has had plenty of opportunities to make plays and hasn't. It's not like he's Nnamdi and he's only thrown at like 1-2 or times a game
And I think he overestimates it. He's a 30 year old DB who has never shown he's an elite level DB, yet wants to be paid as such. If he was an Eagle, we'd all be praising Andy Reid and the Eagles organization for being fiscally responsible with an aging talent
yeah, just looked his age up - born 7/2/81. The fact that any FA deal he signs will be closer to or after his b-day & the dreaded 3-0 really is bad timing for him.
On the other hand, he & his agent are aware of the market for cb's. I wouldn't be surprised if he can get 20% more elsewhere.
Monkeydad 05-19-2011, 12:40 PM Twice a year? Sure...lets do it, jerk.
Grossman will light him up. Hankerson will look like a giant against him...throw it up towards Carlos every play, he's not going to catch the ball.
Sorry, you don't imply you want to be on the Cowboys, Eagles or Giants while you're still a member of the Redskins...trader.
skinsfan69 05-19-2011, 12:57 PM I don't like Hall beyond what is necessary. However, Hall's riverboat gambling can be mitigated by strengthening the pass rush and thus when he does make a gamble, the pass rush would force a poor throw that he can get his hands on.
With Rogers, you can give him Suh, Sapp, Reggie White, and Lawrence Taylor, and he'll still drop 70+% of the picks he could grab and then some.
Why is everyone so obsessed with Rogers dropping the ball? He's a freakin' corner, not a wr. Jeez....I know it's pathetic but his job is to cover first.
Monkeydad 05-19-2011, 01:00 PM Why is everyone so obsessed with Rogers dropping the ball? He's a freakin' corner, not a wr. Jeez....I know it's pathetic but his job is to cover first.
Creating turnovers is just as vital of a role for a CB as coverage. Think of it this way, how many lost opportunities and probably games have Rogers' drops caused? In this league, you can't give opponents second chances. That's what Carlos does. The real problem is not that he drops interceptions, it's how he drops EASY interceptions that hit him in the hands, chest, facemask...a professional football player should not be doing this, that often.
It has become a liability that really detracts from his decent coverage skills.
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If not for Orakpo actually getting a rare holding call, that blunder would have cost of the game.
NC_Skins 05-19-2011, 01:11 PM k0Cc-QDjCFY
If not for Orakpo actually getting a rare holding call, that blunder would have cost of the game.
...never mind that Hall gave up 1 TD already and the go ahead TD that could have won the game for the Cowboys. YET, you want to blame that blunder on "costing" the game. This is the exact shit I'm talking about. It's sad they key this as the blunder to cost the game, but give Hall a pass because he picked up a lucky bounce on a fumble for a TD, but still gave up TWO touchdowns (1 called back) in that game. Amazing.
jdlea 05-19-2011, 01:17 PM Rogers is 100% right. Fans disregard all those TDs that Hall gives up. In fact, he gave up 2 in that Dallas game he "supposedly" won. It was just fortunate one got called back for holding. You think fans realize this? Nope. BUT BUT BUT HE WON US THE GAME!!! /facepalm
Yeah, you're right, Hall did give up what could have been the game winner. However, I believe that play came after a Carlos Rogers dropped pick. An EASY pick that would have ended the game. Instead, him not catching it gave the Cowboys more shots at the end zone...but you're right, scoring the Skins' only touchdown totally didn't do anything for them in that one...Hall SUCKS!
I'm not going to sit here and act like Hall is a great player, but your blind hatred of him is really turning you into a broken record. Let me get this straight: you want to ditch the guy who won the team two games last year by scoring touchdowns/getting picks, says "this is my defense" and at least talks like he likes it in Washington and keep the guy who takes every chance he can to take shots at the team he plays for...that makes sense.
At the end of the day, they both have their deficiencies and neither one are all that good. Carlos can cover and Hall can change games when he's actually close enough to a receiver, or the football, to get a pick. Really, if they somehow melded into one player with Rogers' coverage skills and Hall's ability to catch and score once he has the ball they'd make a great corner. Instead, we have one who gambles too much and another who does a good job of coverage and breaking on the ball, he just can't catch it...unfortunately the latter never keeps his mouth shut and likes to lambaste his employer; I say let him walk.
jdlea 05-19-2011, 01:18 PM ...never mind that Hall gave up 1 TD already and the go ahead TD that could have won the game for the Cowboys. YET, you want to blame that blunder on "costing" the game. This is the exact shit I'm talking about. It's sad they key this as the blunder to cost the game, but give Hall a pass because he picked up a lucky bounce on a fumble for a TD, but still gave up TWO touchdowns (1 called back) in that game. Amazing.
Really? Lucky bounce? He FORCED THE DAMN FUMBLE and then he picked it up and scored.
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