Roster transition in the Shanny era

I think they all did, except perhaps Heyer, who is simply one of two uninspiring veterans on a one year contract in Oakland.

The Colts got rid of Tryon during this season (after starting 10 games on a playoff team last year), and the Giants then picked him up. He's on IR with the Giants, but is also a free agent in March. I don't know where his future is. Probably as a backup. He essentially was a younger Philip Buchanon who could have played inside.

The jarring thing may not be that any one of those players got away, but that 3/5s of an offensive line was deemed by Shanahan/Forester to be not worthy of a roster spot. Meanwhile, we signed Tyler Polumbus for some reason.

Williams I can MAYBE give you because he could have been developed to be decent but Rinehart and Heyer were given plenty of chances here and never showed potential for being any good. Rinehart started (after injuries) on a team that went 1-10 down the stretch. Heyer was a turnstile at both tackle positions. It seems like you are looking at anything that Shanahan has done and twisting it to be a mistake.

We're really lamenting the likes of Tryon, Rinehart, Williams, etc.?

We're really lamenting the likes of Tryon, Rinehart, Williams, etc.?

Exactly.

Williams I can MAYBE give you because he could have been developed to be decent but Rinehart and Heyer were given plenty of chances here and never showed potential for being any good. Rinehart started (after injuries) on a team that went 1-10 down the stretch. Heyer was a turnstile at both tackle positions. It seems like you are looking at anything that Shanahan has done and twisting it to be a mistake.They're different players but I don't think it's any sort of a stretch to think that Chad Rinehart could have been a better player for less money than Chris Chester. We're talking about a projecting here, but I thought there was more to work with re: Rinehart, than Chester.

I wouldn't say that anything and everything Shanahan has done is a mistake. But let's put it this way: when you trade for Donovan McNabb with two draft picks and can't find a place for him in your offense, and somehow that gets lost in history as some sort of a necessary progression of the QB position in Washington...well, lets just say that stringing together a bunch of small evidences fits a lot better when you also have the all-time personnel gaffe.

The easiest way to make my argument seem like nitpicking is to go pick another losing team, and find six to eight players they've let go via free agency or release who have gone on to start elsewhere within the last two years (with two pro bowlers?!), and suggest that the Redskins aren't alone in their struggles to identify starters. Trust me, I am looking. I don't want to keep repeating this point only to find out that I missed a team that has been doing the same thing.

Every team has two or three of those guys (I would expect the winning teams to have a lot more of those guys), but the Redskins have six or seven even if you count Heyer as a backup.

They're different players but I don't think it's any sort of a stretch to think that Chad Rinehart could have been a better player for less money than Chris Chester. We're talking about a projecting here, but I thought there was more to work with re: Rinehart, than Chester.

I wouldn't say that anything and everything Shanahan has done is a mistake. But let's put it this way: when you trade for Donovan McNabb with two draft picks and can't find a place for him in your offense, and somehow that gets lost in history as some sort of a necessary progression of the QB position in Washington...well, lets just say that stringing together a bunch of small evidences fits a lot better when you also have the all-time personnel gaffe.

The easiest way to make my argument seem like nitpicking is to go pick another losing team, and find six to eight players they've let go via free agency or release who have gone on to start elsewhere within the last two years, and suggest that the Redskins aren't alone in their struggles to identify starters. Trust me, I am looking. I don't want to keep repeating this point only to find out that I missed a team that has been doing the same thing.

Every team has two or three of those guys (I would expect the winning teams to have a lot more of those guys), but the Redskins have six or seven even if you count Heyer as a backup.. I guess I'm not excited by backups pushed into starting roles on bad teams as evidence of huge personnel gaffes.
Since no team has turned thier roster over so much in the past two years you aren't going to find those parameters. We see it differently, that's cool. Hope the 2012 roster has the playmakers and depth necessary for progress to continue.

I looked at the 2009 Jaguars roster. They have five guys from that team who went on to be starters elsewhere:

-Quentin Groves, DE (who Oakland picked up and started at LB)
-John Henderson, DT (who is a rotational guy for the Raiders)
-Derek Landri, DT (who started for the Panthers in place of Kemo in 2010, and is having a career year with the Eagles in 2011)
-Justin Durant, LB (who left for Detroit in free agency)
-Reggie Nelson, S (who has started 22 games with the Bengals after being traded)

That's about as much as I've found elsewhere: the Jaguars defense has shed some real talent. But even with them, that's not the side of the ball that's a disaster for them. No offensive players from the 2009 or 2010 Jags have ended up elsewhere having success.

2009 Buffalo had just four guys (all first or second rounders) who left via FA or waivers to achieve success elsewhere:

-Donte Whitner, S (with SF)
-Aaron Maybin, LB (with NYJ)
-Marshawn Lynch, RB (with SEA) *possible pro bowl
-Paul Posluzsny, LB (with JAX)

Then the Lee Evans trade, which would make five total. I don't remember what they got back for Evans. I remember it being kind of like the Haynesworth trade: like a 4th/5th rounder for a starter, and then the starter underwhelms.

2009 Minnesota Vikings

-WR Sidney Rice (with SEA)
-LT Bryant McKinnie (with BAL)
-DE Ray Edwards (with ATL)
-DE Jayme Mitchell (with CLE)
-OG Artis Hicks (with CLE via WAS)

We're really lamenting the likes of Tryon, Rinehart, Williams, etc.?

Rhinehardt is going to be a solid 10-13 year vet and an irritation for administrators/creators of fan forums the whole time ;)

We're really lamenting the likes of Tryon, Rinehart, Williams, etc.?Those guys are relevant in the discussion about the recent past, i.e. why the Redskins haven't been successful under Shanahan.I'm willing to concede that it's meaningless going forward, w/free agency around the corner for those guys. It's been a tough two years. Lots of sub-par decisions. Obviously the REALLY meaningful ones are Rogers and Carter.

2012 = make or break. That's something we can agree on that the release trades of Tryon, Rinehart, Williams, and Heyer have no effect on. If the re-building re-tooling effort worked, then it worked. If it doesn't, it doesn't.